Why are you not posting HTML to CSMA?

What is "CSMA," Crosby, Stills and Moving Averages?


OK Alan what I was told was that the complete application is removed
by putting it in the trash. No trace is left after a secure trash
removal. If what they told me is true. Then I can reinstall a trial
version of something I deleted and it should run another 30 days. Is
that correct?

Does that mean capable of original thought?


To me it is just a web page. Nothing more, nothing less. It is not
good or bad or evil.

attachments can be viewed "inline" within an email client the same way
that
a sent Web page can (in other words no click to open and view).

Thanks Alan. How do I do that on a new Mac PowerBook with Microsoft
Office?

email, is it not opening in Mail.app...what is it doing?

Fair enough Alan,
What I am trying to do is write a letter in Word and email it to
addresses in the address book. I had no idea that Apple would not
have these things working together like Gates. In response to the
above answer I open the address book. The links do not appear active.
Trying to click on them does not bring up any kind of letter. Let
alone Word. So I tried that and it did not work. Word uses Entourage
as its mailer so that is my default.

I assume that all businesses use Office on Macs like they do on
Windows.

Specifically I am also in the habit of copying charts out of web pages
to include in Word documents that I exchange with traders using email.
Charts and the trendlines we draw on them aid us in our work.

When I send a group of charts to interested traders, all they have to
do is scroll through their email to see instantly what they have to do
in the market. In Windows this is done automatically without obvious
attachments. We don't care how it's done, as long as we can see the
charts and concentrate on trading. The charts appear, then on to the
next. It makes no sense in fast paced markets to have to answer
redundant questions. We are in the habit of using both half's of the
human brain in millions of colors. This cannot be done in black and
white, with left hemisphere text.

It is only because a friend is using Mac that I bought a PowerBook to
find out why he could not "see the charts." Obviously it is not his
fault. He should have bought a ThinkPad to be more successful trading
the markets.

Thomas Reed >
Again with the parental controls. You've already been told there is
no
such thing built into the Mac OS.

How do you know?

Thomas Reed >I can advise you not to shoot yourself in the head,
and nobody will question the advice,

Nobody?

Thomas Reed >If you want to send
HTML in your e-mails, go right ahead. It's your right to do so.

Thanks, when I find a way to do it on the Powerbook, I will have less
need to carry around my ThinkPad.

Great, I look forward to it.

Maybe we are sending the code for an attachment or not. The main
thing is I do not want too insult the recipient by asking them to
answer the same question twice. If they open my email they should get
the picture not some half brained text request to see the picture they
just ordered.

Yeah, sure. Let's see, I can hook up my PowerBook to any Ethernet
connection or wireless network in seconds flat.

Sorry about your dad. Plug and play works fine on ThinkPads since
1999.

too
brain-dead and fixated on Windows to get it. Or you're a troll.

Name-calling proves your point without a doubt.

Censorship hurts more. Think about it. Free speech is more important
than imposing your trip on others. We can all decide for ourselves
whether to open email or not. We do not need a separate request to
the left side of the brain a second time to open the attachment.

we are neither about to do it, nor to help others do it.

Abuse, sounds subjective. One of your personal opinions no doubt. Do
you run a dictatorship at home to?

"designed for the Internet" than its Intel/Windows equivalent,

You are seeing the Hardware and the software as separate. They are
marketed as being one entity. That is to which I was referring. The
package they sell out of the door is handicapped probably because
Apple people think it is for the Mac users own good. Businesses are
not going to buy that. We need an open format. People should be
allowed to make there own choices without Big Brother telling us what
is good for us.

Suppose a friend emails you a photo of your house in flames. Do you
want to take the chance that you may not open the link? If it opened
as a picture you would react instantly. Same with trading the
markets.


What was the question?

Actually, I
don't find I need it as much as I thought I would, but I still think
that a
single button is a limitation rather than a feature. Now tell me what
that
has to do with the Internet.

Ease of use.

an
attachment.

Look I don't want to have to know anything about that. I want to find
information and pass it along as simply and efficiently as possible.

I cannot see why I cannot copy something off of a web page, put it in
a letter using Word, and have Entourage send it without making the
letter into an attachment.

It is so nice of you to decide what is right and wrong for other
people. Would you also like to censor my DVD collection?

Based on what. My history on the web, or is someone sending you stuff
in my name.


OK

that.

Finally some light in this dark cavern

Pete it gives a user more options when reclining or in a car when the
steering wheel is to close. A ThinkPad still has all the viewing
angles of a Powerbook, plus those afforded by laying the screen back
flat. It could lose a few more pounds to.


Take your PowerBook to bed. The plug is exposed sticking out of the
side. IBM I guess has a little more experience with ThinkPad's. The
plug is in the back. Difficult to break off in bed. To Apple's
credit the longer battery life makes a cord less necessary.

Do you need it? Has your Powerbook broken?

No it seems silly. I have carried ThinkPad's for years; they did not
need any additional warranties. The Powerbook should be just as
sturdy.

"Windows"
in the same sentence...

How about designed for "Internet use."

MR_ED_off_Course It most certainly can be sent
in Entourage as well.

If you're interested in professional
use, why don't you get MS Office which comes with Entourage and learn
how to
use it?

Ed I have been using Office since day one. Trying to find out how to
use it on the Mac, is what I have been doing here. I can cut & paste
some charts, from a web site into Entourage Ok, but when I do it into
Word it mails it out as an attachment.

Entourage does not save my settings. Office has other features which
I am inclined to use.



It's nice to see that you have an enlightened outlook on the world.

aren't getting any support from Windows users on this issue.

I don't need there support, if anything they need mine.

Retarded, evil, bad. Is this how you see the world?


Then what do you suggest that I accept some one else's opinion instead
of my own? Do your own thinking. When you travel with the herd, you
are on your way to the slaughter.

This is google. Both applications also had "help," which did not
provide a solution to the inconvenience.

I'm willing to do what I can to prove it. I've already offered to
send you
a Web page using Entourage for the Mac.

Sorry I must have missed that post, Nomads9@hotmail.com Leary.com

Mac
than on a ThinkPad?

It does not surprise me in the least.


First off, I have never heard of CSMA. I didn't open that piece of
spam. Do you pay for it? Why would anyone be using an email program
(Entourage), to post to the Web? When I post on the fly, Kinko's,
Universities, libraries, or Windows, they do not even have an
accessible email program. I kind of remember doing something like
that back in 1996. My posts are probably still up. Just goes to show
how behind Apple is on the Web.

GoldTrade wrote:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy or some other newsgroup you post to with the
same initials?

You are still missing the point. I don't want my inbox full of offers of
the Big 3 Ps - Pills, Potions and Porn, and I'll use any means I can to
reduce the amount of spam I receive.

Those means include disabling the automatic display of graphics so that
I don't inadvertently confirm my email address as 'live' to the spammers.

Don't understand that? Let me put it more plainly. In one place I worked
I had a 21 inch monitor, which was huge by the standards of the time,
and could be seen loud and clear by everyone else in the open plan
office I worked in.

One day I received a seemingly innocuous web page which turned out to be
spam leading automatically to a hard porn site, and would have not only
offended my co-workers, but severely damaged my reputation, had I not
killed it so quickly.

Granted that's not an everyday example, but now can you understand why I
switch off automatic viewing of web pages in a mail reader?

In article <4e117f0e.0405150142.4e7faa96@posting.google.com>, GoldTrade
<sumflow2004@yahoo.com> wrote:

To clarify here, all the problems you are having appear to be on the
Gates end of things. It is not Apple's responsibility to make the
Address Book work with MS Office. It is Microsoft's responsibility to
add code to Office to take advantage of the Address Book, if that is
something they want to do. And if Word, Entourage and Internet
Explorer don't work together in the same way they do on Windows, then
again, this is Microsoft's doing, not Apple's.

Bad assumption. Office is extremely prevalent, but it is not the
one-and-only solution on the Mac as it is in Windows. You actually get
a choice in our world! For example, you could consider using the free
OpenOffice, an X-Windows (that means Unix, not Windows) app that is
open-source, free and runs in Mac OS X. Or you can use something like
AppleWorks, which may not be as full-featured as Office (to be nice...
Mac users might tend more towards calling Office "bloatware") but
probably fits the needs of most people more than adequately.

Uhh.... because I have a brain, which I use on an every-day basis?
And because I've used the Mac for 20 years, and know it extremely well.
If there were parental controls, I'd have found them before you did.

Don't be stupid.

When I drag an image from Internet Explorer into Entourage, it's added
to the message as an attachment. Which displays in the message just
fine when it is received.

If I drag an image to Entourage from Safari, it's even better. It
shows in the message window itself, where I can type my message above,
below and even beside it.

Note that in both cases, an attachment is involved.

Not as well as on the Mac, where plug and play has been a standard
since 1984. My dad's experience is proof enough for me. Especially
since it isn't the first time I've seen a person have an experience
like that with Windows.

I can see the problems in this, but unlike many others here, I'm not
going to say you shouldn't be allowed to do it, assuming you know the
risks (such as your message landing in a spam trap, which presumably
you don't have to worry about with your set of correspondents).

However, note again that if you can do this with Internet Explorer,
Word and Entourage for Windows, but not with Internet Explorer, Word
and Entourage for the Mac, it is not the Macintosh that is the problem.
It is Microsoft failing to support a feature of their software in the
Macintosh version.

Then don't buy it.

It is. You could have bought a warranty for your ThinkPad as well.
Should we criticize the ThinkPad's construction based on the fact that
there are extended warranties available for purchase that would cover
it?

You're posting to it. Comp.Sys.Mac.Advocacy. CSMA.

Because it does news reading too? Seems simple to me.

What are you talking about? How does reading news in Entourage have
anything to do with Apple or the web? You *do* understand the
difference between the web and Usenet newsgroups, don't you?

--
-Thomas

<http://www.bitjuggler.com/>

in article 4e117f0e.0405150142.4e7faa96@posting.google.com, GoldTrade at
sumflow2004@yahoo.com wrote on 5/15/04 2:42 AM:

Here's a game I play with my nephew. At 5, he's getting a bit old for it...

What begins with C?

Does Comp begin with C?

What begins with S?

That's right...Sys begins with S...you're getting it!

Ma....C...Advocacy! Very good.


You still haven't answered the question.

After that entire thread and you still don't get it. That's just sad. Try
reading through the thread again, because the correct information is in
there. Of course if you had told people what you wanted to do, I don't
think many (if any) would've helped you. Instead you put things in vague
terms, and so you didn't get the answer you wanted, even though you received
correct answers.

Again, learn how to quote!

Why are you asking Alan this?

That's a twofer...one for attributing the quote to the wrong person, and the
other for clipping the quote out of context. Oh, and you formatted it wrong
as well.

Sending a Web page (viewed inline or as an attachment) is no different as
far as method from sending anything else (inline or as an attachment).

Again, over here...it's me you've quoted. And I'm not going to tell you.

I'm going to skip the part about Word, because I know you won't listen to
people explain the reasons why you shouldn't be using Word to edit your
messages, and you haven't provided enough detail to understand why you would
want to do this in the first place.

In Address Book, Right-Click or Ctrl-Click on an address. It will open an
email in your default email client. It's already been explained how to make
an email client your default.

Hey, that's great, but I'm not going to tell you how to do this.

Geez you've got money to burn. Let me get this straight. Someone with a
Mac could not figure out how to foolishly turn on Complex HTML rendering in
their email client, or use one that can do this, and instead of telling him
to go through the 5 second process in Mail.app or Entourage which is almost
100% identical to doing it on Outlook for Windows...instead of telling him
to take his PowerBook into an Apple Store... instead of telling him about
this wonderful new site called G-O-O-G-L-E... instead of calling SOS-Apple,
instead of telling him to RTFM, you went out and purchased a PowerBook.

Did you really think, given the above, that:
1) This was an efficient use of time and money
2) You were the best person for the job?

I'm pretty sure he knows because he's not fucking retarded. I don't know,
maybe he's gone through the Mac OS for more than 5 minutes.

Wow, you're a cross-platform tech guru aren't you?

That's what inline images are for, not HTML.


Right, but because of abuse of speech, many of us (the smart ones) turn off
complex HTML, and many turn off HTML for email altogether. Others view email
on PDAs and other platforms where HTML mail may not be receivable at all.
What we've been saying all along is that you should make your messages
compatible with established standards for sending and receiving email.


That's because they are.

No they aren't. Apple very much promotes the fact that there is a wide
variety of 3rd party software vendors for the OS X platform.

1) It's not handicapped
2) It actually is for their own good
3) That's probably not why Apple didn't include the functionality in
Mail.app.

There are numerous Fortune 500 companies that have firewalls which prevent
complex HTML messages from getting through. This may vary from department
to department, or particular buildings and campuses, but I know Microsoft,
Intel, and AOL are just a few off the top of my head that I've run into this
issue with.

I know I would not allow complex HTML in any company I was in charge of IT
for.


Then why are you arguing in favor of HTML email? A format that specifically
eliminates clients on Windows, PDAs, Linux, Unix, and yes, the Mac.

Big Brother isn't saying anything on this issue. The person trying to
impose their wish is you. You want to be able to send messages where you
can dictate the way the message will render for the recipient. We're saying
we want to be able to determine how our messages will render when we receive
them.
Ok, as stupid as this is...

My friend sends me an email "You house is on fire". I get that message
because there's no firewall filtering of it due to HTML. I also get it in
my inbox instead of my Spam folder because my client didn't filter it
because 99% of the messages I get that are HTML are spam.

I then open the message and thanks to inline images, I see the image of the
house. No extra step required.

Of course if you sent HTML email and it was pointing to an image on a
server, I STILL wouldn't see the photo at all until I was connected back to
the Net.


Yes, you do. Believe me, you do. You're just too stupid to listen to what
very good advice he has (and others have) to offer. If nothing else, you
should pull your head out long enough to understand why what he said is good
advice for you.

Because you can't figure it out on your own, and you act like an ass when
you ask for help.


No, you're doing this when you send HTML email. You are saying that is the
right way for them to have your message rendered. Tell me, what font do I
like? What size do I like? What colors do I like?

Then why did you bring it up?

Oh you mean like that it comes with built in firewalls, file sharing, an ftp
server, web server, and you can even configure it to be your mail server.
That's for starters, you can also remote access other Macs and Windows XP
machines...the list is long...

Doctor, it hurts when I do this...
Could you be a little more vague...again I find myself bogged down with the
details you provide.

Evil/bad = HTML email

Retarded = Those who send it.


No, I'm saying you should at least listen to what they have to say. If you
don't have legitimate reasons for why you want to do things your own way
*and* you are far less knowledgeable and experienced than the others you
should most likely take their advice. But go on and continue to argue based
on your ignorance.

No, this is Usenet. You are using Google Groups to access this Newsgroup.

Ok, then how do you explain it? Just in terms of you know, how it's fucking
possible.


Done. Look for a message entitled :
"RE: Sending a Web Page - Address Book - CSMA"

Most likely if you have junk mail filtering turned on it will be filtered to
your junk folder. I sent the Web page with the added phrase at the bottom
"Does that look about right GoldTrader?"

If you look at the headers you'll see:
User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0

Though, I'd be first to admit that headers are easy to forge so I'm not
really proving anything other than somehow I can send a web page.

I've also sent instructions for how I did this to George.

Wow, you're really fucking clueless on so many different levels.

In article <4e117f0e.0405150142.4e7faa96@posting.google.com>,
sumflow2004@yahoo.com (GoldTrade) wrote:

Because I never saw it, nor did I write much (if any) of it.

Didn't write anything to do with that.

Or that.

That... ...nope.

Nothing I wrote.

I didn't write that, so...

Since I didn't write that to which you are replying...
I didn't write what you're responding to...

Once again, I didn't write that...

And I didn't write that, either.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

GoldTrade wrote:

[Some shite]

Old Goldie has finally tripped my Troll detectors. I've been responding to
him seriously, on the basis that he's just stupid[1], but a few things in
that last post suggested that he knows very well what he's up to. For
reasons that are unclear, he's having great fun *pretending* to be stupid,
and the best way to deal with that kind of person is to ignore them. I
suggest that others consider doing the same, in which case he might just
get bored of talking to himself and go away.

Cheers,

Pete

[1] *REALLY* fucking stupid, but not malicious.

In article <BCCB576E.39BF1%OhNoSPAM@pacbell.net>, MR_ED_of_Course
<OhNoSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote:

Won't you please? It will make it that much harder for him to pretend
ignorance with plain, written instructions posted for doing what he
wants to do.

--
-Thomas

<http://www.bitjuggler.com/>

in article michelle-65EAEB.14382615052004@news.west.cox.net, Michelle
Steiner at michelle@michelle.org wrote on 5/15/04 2:38 PM:

Well that didn't stop him with his other issues.

Ok, it doesn't get any easier to understand and do than that. That is easier
than doing it with Safari/Explorer and Entourage/Outlook. Now either he's
still going to amaze us or use this knowledge for evil