"Stephen Melis" <stephen.melisNOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<W5kUa.14654$OM3.2985@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
Yes, but only 8.4GB will be recognized by the BIOS. You could install
W95B+ or NT4+ in a partition of this size and will get access to the
rest of the drive until boot-up is completed, so that you may set up
further partitions in the space left. I wouldn't recommend that, tho,
for stability reasons. The best choice would be to go with a so-called
"dynamic disc overlay", which allows you to use the whole drive at
boot-time, despite BIOS limitations.


You might want to peep at...

<http://tinyurl.com/i54o>

.... that is...

<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=4e71083e.0306220527.1bedf339%40posting.g oogle.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Dde%26lr%3D%26ie%3DISO-8859-1%26q%3D560e%2Bmonty%2Bcantsin>

....for further information.


Greetz,
Monty

phat.joe@gmx.net (monty cantsin) writes:

*snip*

The poster below is wrong.

I installed a 20gig drive in a 560X. I installed the OS into
an initial 8-gig partition. Any modern OS like XP or Linux
addresses the drive directly. Notice how even if you disable
a CD-ROM in BIOS that XP still sees it? Anyhow once the OS
is loaded then use the rest of disk for additional partitions.
Since I wanted dual bot I actually used a 128 meg /boot partition
for Linux (/boot has to be below 8 gig boundary)and then rest of
8 gigs for XP, then disk beyond 8 gigs for remaining Linux
partitions like swap, /, etc. Works fine, doesn't involve
any trick business with overlays just judicious choice of
partitioning.



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"Stephen Melis" <stephen.melisNOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<KXGWa.6052$bo1.2721@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
Hi Stephen,

please provide some additional info:

1) What is the manufacturer and model no. of the new hard drive that
you intend to use?

2) At which point during boot-up does the machine hang *exactly*? Is
the POST completed successfully?

3) Did you already install the DDO to the new HD? Or weren't you even
able to do this because of hang-ups?

4) Which DDO *exactly* did you install / try to install?

5) Which disks do you use for booting up -- what is the OS?

6) Please describe *how* you tried to boot from floppy. Have you
already installed the DDO and now you want to boot from floppy the
ordinary way?

Please note that after installing a DDO you can no longer boot from
floppy the way you used to. The way this is done has changed, because
it must always be guaranteed that the DDO is loaded when the hard
drive will be accessed. Of course such a DDO is not included on your
common boot disks, therefore you won't be granted access to the hard
drive from a usual boot disk.

Generally speaking, a DDO requires you to boot from the hard drive.
However, when installing that DDO, you are given the opportunity to
activate a special option that also allows you to boot from regular
floppies. If you configure the DDO to allow for that option, the DDO
will boot from HD and then wait for a few seconds so that you can
press a key which tells the DDO to continue booting from floppy
instead of HD. If I recall that correctly, you have to press the space
bar with the Ontrack kind of software.

So with an Ontrack DDO installed, properly booting from floppy would
look like this:

A) Make sure that there is no disk in the floppy drive.

B) Start the computer. Let it go through POST and load the DDO from
hard drive.

C) Quickly press space bar and insert the disk you want to boot from
into the floppy drive.


Best,
Monty

Hi Monty,

My responses marked a1) to a6) and S) as inline below.

Many Thanks for your help.

Stephen
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Subject: Re: Thinkpad 560 hard disk upgrade


"Stephen Melis" <stephen.melisNOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Hi Stephen,

please provide some additional info:

1) What is the manufacturer and model no. of the new hard drive that you
intend to use?

a1) The drive is a HITACHI Travelstar 20Gbyte Model IC25N020ATMR04-0

2) At which point during boot-up does the machine hang *exactly*? Is the
POST completed successfully?

a2) The machine hangs just on when it tries to boot from floppy. it passes
the memory and system tests. I've used the system diagnostics and can see
and test the drive from the BIOS diagnostic/test program. If I put the disk
as a slave then the TP will boot from floppy, but then I cannot format the
HDD, however I can see it with Disk Manager and set up the partition tables
but I cannot put a fat 32 format on it, it tells me the disk is faulty. I've
also tried the same with a 12Gbyte IBM Travelstar and achived the same
result. With the 12Gbyte I even did a low level format using Dos Disk
Manager Version 9.55 without problem, however I could not FAT32 format the
disk. I can even to a drive fittness test with the disk in slave mode and
all passes. With the new HDD as master and booting with F1 key press I can
even get in to the BIOS and run all the diagnostic tests, even the hard disk
one, and all pass.

3) Did you already install the DDO to the new HD? Or weren't you even able
to do this because of hang-ups?

a3) I did install the DDO when the disk was in slave mode however I could
not format the drive as the system told me the disk was not installed
properly, it is probably looking for the master hard disk and there wasn't
one. When the disk was put back to master, no boot .

4) Which DDO *exactly* did you install / try to install?

a4) Using DOS Disk Manager 9.55 and its DDO

5) Which disks do you use for booting up -- what is the OS?

a5) I've used the Disk Manager boot disk and installed the DDO on the win98
boot floppy.

6) Please describe *how* you tried to boot from floppy. Have you already
installed the DDO and now you want to boot from floppy the ordinary way?

a6) Basically I've placed the Disk Manager Boot disk and tried with the
Win98 Boot disk in the floppy drive and press reset and powered on. The TP
goes through the BIOS memory check and commences the boot from floppy and
seems to just hang when the new HDD is in master mode

Please note that after installing a DDO you can no longer boot from floppy
the way you used to. The way this is done has changed, because it must
always
be guaranteed that the DDO is loaded when the hard drive will be accessed.
Of
course such a DDO is not included on your common boot disks, therefore you
won't be granted access to the hard drive from a usual boot disk.

S) That I didn't know but I haven't got that far yet, something seems to be
stopping the boot continuing.

Generally speaking, a DDO requires you to boot from the hard drive. However,
when installing that DDO, you are given the opportunity to activate a
special option that also allows you to boot from regular floppies. If you
configure
the DDO to allow for that option, the DDO will boot from HD and then wait
for a few seconds so that you can press a key which tells the DDO to
continue
booting from floppy instead of HD. If I recall that correctly, you have to
press the space bar with the Ontrack kind of software.

S) I have no problem booting from a special disk once I can get the HDD to
work.

So with an Ontrack DDO installed, properly booting from floppy would look
like this:

A) Make sure that there is no disk in the floppy drive.

B) Start the computer. Let it go through POST and load the DDO from hard
drive.

C) Quickly press space bar and insert the disk you want to boot from into
the floppy drive.


Best,
Monty

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Here is what I've found, after doing several installation.

The disk is a 20Gbyte Hitachi Travelstar.
I downloaded the Hitachi Feature Tool
MaxBlast 3 and
Disk Master 9.55.

0. Remove power and battery from the laptop
1. Disassemble the laptop according to the IBM documentation and remove the
old HDD
2. Set the new HDD jumper to be a slave drive
3. Install the new HDD in to the Thinkpad 560 but don't replace the laptop
cover as we will need to remove the jumper soon
4. Attach the floppy drive
5. Boot with Disk Manager 9.55 floppy
6. Commence the disk installation procedure but it will fail when it tries
for format the disk, the important part here is setting the partion table.
When it gets to the point of fail goto step 7
7. insert the Hitachi Feature Disk in the floppy and reboot
8. Set the disk size to 4.1Gbyte, the Thinkpad 560 2640 ENA seems to have a
4.2 Gbyte BIOS limitation.
9. Power off and remove the power
10. Remove the slave jumper on the disk drive so it is now master.
11. Insert the MAXBLAST floppy
12. Power on and Boot the MAXBLAST Floppy
13. Install the DDO and partions by following the MAXBLAST prompts
14. System now ready to install the OS such as Win98.

The good new is that by following this procedure, and believe me I spent an
entire week installing and uninstalling and found problems at evey corner
with some incompatability or some other operatonal problem, The system will
work well except for the two conditions below

Now the problems:
1) Warm boot doesn't work any more (but I can live with that), it must be
cold booted every time
2) Hibernation doesn't work any more. The Thinkpad utilities software thinks
that the disk has a proprietary compression program installed and won't
install the hibernation files. Note Suspend does work using this
installation, using Disk Manager Alone without using MAXBLAST means suspend
won't be successful and there seems to be a resume problem.

Anyway if anyone can help with an alternative to the BIOS hibernation for
Win98, that would be really good and I would really appreciate it

Steve
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"Stephen Melis" <stephen.melisNOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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I've been looking for any way to enable the hibernation but alas found none.
So if you want hibernation then 4.23Gbyte of disk space is the max you can
go for the Thinkpad 560 2640 ENA unless I can find a win98 driver somewhere
that will see the remainder of the drive after windows98 boots.

The basic situation is the the disk must be configured to be a maximum of
4.23 Gbytes or the TP won't boot, using a DDO like MaxBlast will not allow
hibernation nor will it allow a warm boot and may not revive correctly from
suspend to RAM. Also I've had some disk corruption when accessing high end
of the disk. Therefore the best option really is to not use a DDO and use
the disk through DOS with the Feature Tool setting the disk size to
4.23Gbyte and then see if a Driver for win98 can be found to support the
remainder.

Hopefully some one can help and let me know if there is such a driver.

Thanks in advance,

Steve


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