Centrino, P4M? I need as fast as possible laptop for pro audio. What do you
suggest? Price doesn't matter.

jh

"jh" <jh@radio.kielce.com.pl> wrote in message
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probably something with a pentium 3.2ghz



--
Gareth
quote of the day
'nostradamus? -sounds like a rock group to me!'

Yes. If you have no other criteria except speed, look at portable systems
using desktop processors. There's also the new mobile AMD Athlon64.

"Michael J. Apollyon" <zvpunry.wb@ovtsbbg.pbz> wrote in message
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Thank you. I've read about Athlon64 and it looks that Intel-M is a bit
faster. I wasn't sure: Centrinoo or desktop CPU.

Dell/Toshiba? I need good Bus/memory bandwitch, at least 5400rpm HD, and
something faster than my 2.53GHz desktop P4 PC ;-)

How about external drivers (FW). Is it possible to boot-up a system from
them instead an internal drive?

jh

jh wrote:

Honestly I would worry a little about trying to find a laptop to beat a 2.53
GHz desktop. Laptops are always slower. Is it the slower hard drives? Is
it a slower memory bus? Or primarily something else? I don't know. Good
luck and tell us what happens.

"jh" <jh@radio.kielce.com.pl> wrote in message news:brt5cf$obe$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl...
Centrino, P4M? I need as fast as possible laptop for pro audio. What do you
suggest? Price doesn't matter.

jh

-------- Maybe not the fastest, but ...

Toshiba P25-S5093 P4 3.0GHz 512MB 80GB DVDRW/CDRW 17" WXGA
Windows XP Home Edition
Microsoft Works

$1,949.99

Item # 22533
Plus Shipping & Handling or direct from Costco's


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P25 Series will delight your senses with its 17" theater-like display, rich harman/kardon®
sound and smooth NVIDIA® GeForce™ FX Go5200 graphics. At the heart of the system is a powerful
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800MHz processor system bus clock
512KB Level 2 Cache integrated on die
512MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM (expandable to 1024 MB) (Both slots may be occupied)
Intel 865PE + ICH5 Chipset
Drives:
80GB EIDE hard drive
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(8x); DVD-R (8x/2x); DVD-RW (8x/1x); DVD-RAM (2x/2x)
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Resolution: internal support up to 16M colors @ 1440 x 900
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Audio:
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Built-in harman/kardon Stereo Speakers
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Sound Volume (by Dial)
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Full sized, 85 keys with 12 function keys; 2.7mm key stroke, 6mm height
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Ports:
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"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote in message
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Is it Mobile P4 or a desktop version?

Jacek

"jh" <jh@radio.kielce.com.pl> wrote in message
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From Intel site - it looks it's a desktop CPU and desktop chipset... So how
about its temperature, fan noise and power consumption vs mobile version?

jh

In article <KN6dnRts-K79zH-iRVn-hA@comcast.com>, timeOdayUN-
SPAM@theknack.net says...
are the high end latops and the low end PCs.

For Video production go with a desktop.

I recently ran some checks at various store displays by timing the Power up
and Power down times. Just about all the display models were loaded with
standard WinXP with NAV. booting into a guest account.
The Centrinos seemed smooth and quiet but took a while from dead to life.
The P4 mobiles were very close to the Centrinos but took a little longer.
The P4 Notebook types were fast. In fact the fastest I found was a Hp/Compaq
with 2.8Ghz.

Of course none of them compared to full desktops of comparable class. I have
a P3 1Ghz desktop that just beats the crap out of my P4 2.4Ghz laptop. The
only difference between the 2? The desktop has Fat32 filesystem and the
laptop has NTFS. Go figure!

It's an easy test to do, just bring along the stop watch and consider the
software packages installed on the unit as you test. Surprisingly they are
very standard on packages.


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"Thagor" <tnoc@email.coma> a écrit dans le message de news:
Not true : it depends of the applications, since if the HD is under heavy
load, then the desktop will win (a desktop 7200 HD is usually 2x faster than
a laptop one. If you compute a DivX, you'll have the nice surprise to see
your P4 is between 2 and 4 times faster depending the movie (since it does
make use of SSE2 optimizations).

For games, you will need a good video card. By example my Radeon 9200 128 Mb
Ram on my P3 desktop is slower (±5600 3DMark) than the 5600 Go FX 64 Ram of
my P4 laptop (±9800 3DMark) .

--
michel

"jh" <jh@radio.kielce.com.pl> a écrit dans le message de news:
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For Pro-Audio I would suggest a P-M because I think you'll prefer a silent
machine for listening your sounds and music. And working audio isn't so CPU
hungry that it needs a 4 Ghz ;-)
A point to be careful : if you record from analogic source using the AC'97
integrated chipset, you'll have bad results with some electronic noise. sI
think this problem can be avoided with a P-M (less fan and CPU
interferences) but I'm not sure. In the other hand, some pro PCMCIA Audio
cards does exists (Echo products by example) but are rather expansive
(around 300/400 Euros)...

--
michel

I have a P-M (Dell 600m) and love it, but the audio is apparently noisy.
Can't get voice recognition software to work right, even with expensive
headphone/microphone. There are more issues than just the fan noise. I
think a lot has to do with just cramming that much electronics into that
small a space. You can't recognize this if you're just playing CD's or
MP3's, or even if you are ripping CD's. But if you try to do anything fancy
with the audio, you'll see. I think most laptops suffer from this.


"michel" <maneki.neko2@caramail.com> wrote in message
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"Joe Davis" <davisexpREMOVE@attglobal.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
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Yes, analogic capture seems to be interferences sensitive... And AC'97 seems
to be bad at this point as you confirm it (I though it could be related to
my power hungry P4 electronic interferences), so an audio pro card should be
mandatory for this kind of usage.

michel

"michel" <maneki.neko2@caramail.com> wrote in message
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Hi,

Now I'm using desktop version of RME HDSP system.
http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/index.htm

It's HDSP PCI card and external I/O box. When working with PCI it doesn't
need any external power supply. It has 18 inputs and 18 outputs in studio
quality (8x balanced analog, 8 channels form ADAT, 2 channels from S/PDIF).
That's a pro system. There is a laptop version.
http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hds...ci.htm#CARDBUS

I'm gonna buy it - it works with that external box but it needs power
supply. So anytime I need to record or play I cannot use laptop batteries.
So battery life isn't important for me. The noise... Laptop can be noisy,
that's right. Of course it doesn't change my sound from RME system. Today,
when I've read a lot of tests I'm sure that I need a real desktop CPU or P4
Mobile but with HT, and not Centrino technology. The only bad thing about
desktop CPU is its temperature. I've heard that it can be quite high and
that's why these laptops are noisy. Look for my other topic - What I need:

- Mobile Intel Pentium 4 with HT 2.8 to 3.2GHz
- Intel 852PM chipset
{ or if you sure that desktop chipset and CPU are better for laptops...)
- 1GB RAM
- Fast internal HD min 60GB/5400rpm
- I'd like to use another HD for audio recording. It can be in a bay or
external FW.
- Graphics - ATI/NVidia with min. 64MB fast memory
- Screen resolution more than 1024x768 (?)
- In my studio I'd like to use second (external) monitor - LCD 17". Now I
work with Matrox G550 DualHead video card with two 17" monitors. I'd like to
work the same way with laptop. Is it possible?
- At least two USB 2.0 ports
- IrDA
- DVD-R
- TI controller for CardBus port
- Windows XP Home


What model should I look for?

Jacek

"jh" <jh@radio.kielce.com.pl> a écrit dans le message de news:

Ok, you certainly know your needs better than me for this kind of product
;-)
But I don't understand why you don't want a P-M

Yes of course, but fan noise can be disturbing in your case...

Yes, all ATI or nVidia cards on laptops will let you use one additionnal
monitor. But most have only one VGA outpout, so you should check that your
monitors are not DVI only but can be connected with a vga port.

Something like mine ? ;-)
An HP ZD7000, except that the DVD burner is a DVD+R/RW and the HD is a 4200
(but you can upgrade it).
It has a 17" 1440x900 with good view angle and contrast, a nVidia 5600 Go FX
64 Mb, 1 firewire (better transfert rates than on my previous system), 4
usb2, and all the others usual stuffs (irds, ...). It does exists in P4 HT
versions reaching 3.2 gHz, with a i865P/848 chipset. Not running so hot in
my case (2.6 gHz "only" without HT) but I would have prefered a centrino...
http://h41100.www4.hp.com/uk/eng/con...on/dp767e.html
But since I think you live in poland, you should check the german site
(ZD7000 is not yet distribued in HP poland)

Or you can check other trademarks as Toshiba, IBM or Asus...

--
michel

BTW. Look here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/34019.html

jh

"michel" <maneki.neko2@caramail.com> wrote in message news:<bs9qid$a0m$1@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr>...
I agree - the Zd7000 class machine is ideal 1400 x 900 res 17" screen
,
P4 3.2GHz with HT, Memory can go to 2 Gigbyte - main thing as a
portable DAW - it has independent IRQs for CardBus Slot, USB2.0, 1394.
I'm getting one myself to use with Layla 24 Laptop system. I was also
looking at Toshiba P25 - but it had too many shared IRQs with ACPI's
IRQ steering.

Another unit worth checking out it the new Sager 8750 - but it will
not ship till late Jan. 2004