My experience with Linux has always been RH and Mandrake. Both these
distros have local mirrors for downloading iso disk images, so I could do
installations off disks. Great.

Now I am trying to download Suse ... can't find the iso's. What gives? (Do
I have to download individual "setup off the internet" copies *each* time I
do an installation?)

Many thanks,

Abdullah

Abdullah Kauchali wrote:

.... the iso's are found on the CDs, which are found
in the boxed set. you can do an ftp install - check
the site for details
..
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"mjt" wrote in message
Thanks Michael,

Yes, it seems that the ISO's are only available if I purchase them.

(I was hoping to do an installation for a friend who does not have access to
the net.)

Anyway ...

Abdullah Kauchali wrote:

SuSE's way of making money by selling software that they didn't have to pay
for. I still don't see why ISO vendors aren't permitted to sell SuSE ISOs.
But it's a touchy topic and I don't really want to attract flames -- there
are alternatives anyway. Give Mandrake a try if you'd like "easy install",
or Gentoo/Debian/Slackware if you want a little more depth and control.
Gentoo has a very wonderful packaging system ... the only one that
impresses me, a FreeBSD user.

M.

Michael Vondung wrote:

..... cripes, give me a break! you mean to tell me they
employ people AND pay them to enhance the product and
to be one of the few vendors that ensure the product
works in the corporate, as well as, the personal, market,
(and on various hardware) and you want them to give it
away. sheesh.

many people, to this day, still dont understand what the
term "open source" means.

..... i can make copies of my [suse] CDs and give them to my
friend to install it, just can't sell 'em
..
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:54:44 +0000, Chris Gordon-Smith staggered into
the Black Sun and said:
'Cause the SuSE license forbids distributing some of the tools (YaST2,
mostly) in that way. Conditions under which you can distribute SuSE
Linux as a whole are all spelled out on their website at
http://www.suse.com/us/private/suppo...nses/yast.html , section 3.
mjt implied this but didn't make it specific.

Like the above-referenced doc says, it's OK if the SuSE CDs being sold
are the original CDs as delivered with a boxed set of SuSE. If the CDs
being sold are burned copies, it's not legal to sell them. Period.

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mjt wrote:


What puzzles me about this is that cheap SuSE CDs are generally not
available (in the UKat any rate). In the case of distributions such as
Mandrake and Debian, it is possible to buy CDs for little more than the
cost of burning the CDs and postage (GBP 3 or so). Why do vendors like
Linux Emporium not do the same with SuSE?

I note incidentally that cheap SuSE CDs are advertised on eBay. Are they
kosher?
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Dances With Crows wrote:

Thanks for the URL. I'm struggling a bit with the legalese. One sentence
says:-

"Distribution of the YaST programme, its sources, whether amended or
unamended in full or in part thereof, and the works derived thereof for a
charge require the prior written consent of SuSE Linux AG."

I'm not sure what exactly is meant by 'Distribution', but I would have
thought that if someone sells SuSE CDs from a boxed set, that could count
as distribution. If so then presumably it would not be legal unless they
had been authorised to do so by SuSE.

Can anyone clarify?
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Several months ago I got a copy ( unofficial ) of the lastest Suse on cd
from ebay for about $3.

That person might still be making and selling them.

If you want a free( as in open source and as in free of charge )
distro of linux that is end user friendly out of the box try knoppix:

http://www.knoppix.net

Steve

In article <flbf41-of3.ln1@catbox.similarities.org>,
Michael Vondung <mvondung@gmx.net> wrote:
This seems to be a topic on which an awful lot of people get confused.

There is absolutely no reason why you can't make your own ISOs of SuSE
Linux. SuSE just choose not to do it for you.

There is a problem if you want to sell CDs produced from such ISOs though.
The licence of YaST does not permit you to do this. If you want to make
ISOs for sale you first need to remove the YaST program. However, once
you've done this what you have left is not SuSE Linux and also isn't
installable (at least, not easily).

HTH
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In article <bl48kh$84pos$1@ID-167468.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Chris Gordon-Smith <use.address@myhomepage.net> wrote:
Because the licence under which SuSE Linux (or more specifically, the
YaST program) is distributed does not permit this.

No.

John
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In <bl2fgm$iga$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>, on 09/27/2003
at 12:48 AM, "Abdullah Kauchali" <abdullah.kauchali@somewhere.com>
said:

SUSE doesn't provide them. You have several alternatives:

1. Buy a boxed set.

2. Copy somebody else's (yes, the license does permit that.)

3. Do an FTP install, which, as you noted, is more awkward.

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In <bl48kh$84pos$1@ID-167468.news.uni-berlin.de>, on 09/27/2003
at 03:54 PM, Chris Gordon-Smith <use.address@myhomepage.net> said:

Because they're not thieves?

Most likely not.

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