"General manager of Microsoft's Windows digital media division David
Fester has suggested that iTunes' emerging dominance would be bad for
consumers, because it would limit them to the iPod."

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/top_n...fm?NewsID=7643

Funny, actually..

--
C Lund, www.notam02.no/~clund

C Lund wrote:
<<Dell also suggests HP is making a mistake. A Dell spokesman said: "We
expect competition and it's good for customers. Over time, however,
customers will want industry standard choices.">>

"Industry standard?" Oh, like Microsoft's proprietary Windows Media
format? Oh, the irony... Apparently "industry standard" is synonymous
with "Microsoft proprietary technology." What a joke. They just can't
take their own medicine...

-zolo

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:32:04 +0100, C Lund <clund@NOSPAMnotam02.no>
wrote:

Geez Dave, ironic much?

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:19:18 -0500, zolo <zolo@nospam.net> wrote:

Industry standard choices. Wow, a new oxymoron. Mark this day!

"C Lund" <clund@NOSPAMnotam02.no> wrote in message
news:clund-6F4754.11320413012004@amstwist00.chello.com...
Yes, it's funny you missed this part:

"A report in Connected Home Magazine has suggested that HP's deal with Apple
will have one other side effect: "The company will be working with Apple to
add support for Microsoft's superior Windows Media Audio (WMA) format to the
iPod by mid-year." "

Notice the phrase "Microsoft's superior Windows Media Audio (WMA) format."

A nice thing to see in a pro-Mac article on a pro-Mac site, no? :-D

Edwin

In article <bujnvc$ii1ql$1@ID-56786.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:

It's a quote.

Incidentally, the claim that WMA support is being added to the iPod has
been denied by HP, and the more usual Mac rumors channels say they
haven't heard anything like that.

--
"Our country puts $1 billion a year up to help feed the hungry. And we're by far
the most generous nation in the world when it comes to that, and I'm proud to
report that. This isn't a contest of who's the most generous. I'm just telling
you as an aside. We're generous. We shouldn't be bragging about it. But we are.
We're very generous."
-- George W. Bush in Washington, D.C., July 16, 2003

"ZnU" <znu@acedsl.com> wrote in message
news:znu-251CBB.13174520012004@news.fu-berlin.de...
Did you see any disagreement with it from the author of the article?

Speaking of quotes where's yours? URLs please.

Edwin

In article <bujst7$iid5c$1@ID-56786.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:

I'm not going to argue with you over what the article author believed.

http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/...13162137.shtml

--
"Our country puts $1 billion a year up to help feed the hungry. And we're by far
the most generous nation in the world when it comes to that, and I'm proud to
report that. This isn't a contest of who's the most generous. I'm just telling
you as an aside. We're generous. We shouldn't be bragging about it. But we are.
We're very generous."
-- George W. Bush in Washington, D.C., July 16, 2003

"ZnU" <znu@acedsl.com> wrote in message
news:znu-A7BCA3.13473220012004@news.fu-berlin.de...
IOW you're putting your head in the sand.


You just proved what you claimed is false. The story you referenced says
that HP isn't doing it now, not they "denied it." Also, the story shows
the rumor sites have indeed "heard anything like that."

Steve Jobs is the one saying "no WMA on the iPod," not HP, as your own
reference shows.

Edwin

"zolo" <zolo@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:bu1ncm$pmm$1@newsfeeds.rpi.edu...
Sing with me Wintrolls:

"We will overcome...we will overcome..."

Edwin

In article <bujuf5$ihbnq$1@ID-56786.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:

No, it's just inane. Neither of us has any idea, nor is the issue of the
any interest or importance.

I won't argue with you over what the word "denied" means either. I will
note that the Wired article linked to from the page above uses the word:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
According to Paul Thurrot's WinInfo newsletter, HP is working with Apple
to add support for WMA to the iPod. Thurrot's report was widely
circulated online on Monday.

However, a spokesman for HP denied any such plans.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Why don't you write them a letter?

I never should have let your entry expire from my killfile. I think it's
time you went back in.

--
"Our country puts $1 billion a year up to help feed the hungry. And we're by far
the most generous nation in the world when it comes to that, and I'm proud to
report that. This isn't a contest of who's the most generous. I'm just telling
you as an aside. We're generous. We shouldn't be bragging about it. But we are.
We're very generous."
-- George W. Bush in Washington, D.C., July 16, 2003

In article <bujnvc$ii1ql$1@ID-56786.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
What's even funnier is that you didn't realize that it was a quote
from another magazine. Funnier yet:

"Contrary to reports, Hewlett-Packard will not be supporting
Microsoft's Windows Media Audio format in its forthcoming HP-branded
iPod."

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0...w=wn_bizhead_8

Apparently, this "wma for iPod" is something one Paul Thurrot made up.

--
C Lund, www.notam02.no/~clund

"ZnU" <znu@acedsl.com> wrote in message
news:znu-206D98.16014820012004@news.fu-berlin.de...
IOW, yes, you have your head buried in the sand, and you think you can talk
me into putting mine there too.

The issue of a Mac site not taking an author to task for calling the WMA
format "superior," is of of great interest and importance.

No, what you'll do is what you're the master of, creating out of context
snips to mislead others.

You should have gone one sentence further:

""We're not going to be supporting WMA for now," said Muffi Ghadiali,
product marketing manager for HP's digital entertainment products group. "

Did you catch the "for now," in there? Of course you did. You can see as
well as I do what's being said. HP hasn't denied plans for WMA on iPod,
just said "not for now." That implies it's coming later.

Of course you'll be literal and pedantic when it suits your arguments.

What for?

Yeah, it's not like you're ever going to fool me with your double talk...
you may as well give up... again...

Note: No response.

Edwin

In article <bv45sf$n1alb$1@ID-56786.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:

Your loose grasp of the english language never fails to astonish me.

--
Sandman[.net]

To comp.sys.mac.advocacy subscribers,

That implies no such thing. "for now" is used as a loophole through
which HP answers the question without comitting themselves to anything.
They're keeping their options open, a smart move right now considering
how saturated the Internet digital music download industry is now, and
the fact that a shakedown is all but inevitable in the not-too-distant
future.

This was the point I believe Sandman was trying to make, but without the
context and somewhat less delicately.

digitaleon.

"digitaleon" <this.is@fake.address> wrote in message
news:t8rRb.6797797$Of.1083853@news.easynews.com...
The Maccie have tried to make it into a permanent denial.

With HP's stated commitment to reconciling the Mac and Windows platforms,
WMA on the iPod is inevitable. HP just wants it for the hardware. They're
still PC vendors, and most PC owners want Windows, Wndows programs, and
Windows formats.

Are ZnU and Sandman one in the same?

Edwin

"C Lund" <clund@NOSPAMnotam02.no> wrote in message
news:clund-D52848.23121420012004@amstwist00.chello.com...
No, what's funniest yet is that the Mac site in question regularly
criticizes stories that appears elsewhere, yet quoted this one without a
whisper of complaint. Funniest of all is the Maccie failure to see this.

Nope. All HP said is "not for now." You've got to give up your habit of
not reading past the part you like. Read the whole story.

Edwin

C Lund <clund@NOSPAMnotam02.no> wrote in message news:<clund-6F4754.11320413012004@amstwist00.chello.com>...
If you are ahead, go proprietary. If you are behind, go standards.

I think all the PC manufactures are annoyed that they are in a bind
with how M$ forces them all to be unpaid subsidaries of M$. The PC
manufactures all pay the ssme to M$ for Windows. Yet, the PC is a
commodity which means reduced profits for all PC manufactures, but you
will note not for M$. The PC manufactures want to differentiate
themselves from one and other.

M$ and Dell are mad that HP has come up with a strategy to
differentiate HP PCs from the pack. It will be a little harder for an
HP PC owner to switch to a non-HP PC which is bad for M$ and Dell.

Robert

In article <bv61qo$oqgj2$1@ID-56786.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
The context makes it uneccessary. The article was in ridicule of
Microsoft's whining.

FYI, "not for now" does not mean "we'll do it later". What it means is
"we have no plans for that now". Maybe HP will change their minds
later and include WMA. In fact, this (same link as above) "He also
said that between now and summer, HP may come up with a way to convert
WMA to AAC, or an equivalent technical fix." indicates that HP will
not be supporting WMA in their iPods at all.

--
C Lund, www.notam02.no/~clund

In article <bv61gf$oobcu$1@ID-56786.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:

So how do you explain this: "He also said that between now and
summer, HP may come up with a way to convert WMA to AAC, or an
equivalent technical fix."

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0...w=wn_bizhead_8

A conversion scheme from WMA to AAC would be pointless if they planned
to support WMA.

--
C Lund, www.notam02.no/~clund