So at work, we have an MSDN subscription that let's us get essentially
everything MS makes (good or bad.) The Longhorn preview is among what's
available.

A co-worker installs it and starts telling us about it. In particular he
was very happy that the installation no longer starts out in a DOS-like
environment. No more plonking around with text based utilities for
windows during the install. He was very happy about that.

Isn't that sad?

Brian Lewis wrote:

Ever seen OS X startup in single user mode? What's sad about that?

Nicolas

It's sad that something so trivial makes you sad.

"Brian Lewis" <briantlewis@STOPTHESPAMNOWcinci.rr.com> wrote in message
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In article <lURAb.7490$IF6.337355@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
Nashton <Nash@nospam.nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:

It's sad only if you believe that's the default way of using the OS.

Brian Lewis wrote:

Depends on the OS. I'm sure you've never used a mainframe, for example. As
for Longhorn vs XP, the "text based utilities"
you complain about in previous versions is just the *installer*. In fact, it's
just the first part of the installer (up to the point of HD format).

Regardless, installation IS NOT THE DEFAULT WAY TO USE AN OS.

JCS

In article <qTRAb.3630$IF.2020@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
"MuahMan" <muahman@msn.com> wrote:

That a windows user sees a fully graphical install as a revolution is
indeed sad....

Brian Lewis wrote:

You presented ONE person that thought this was a big deal. It isn't a
"revelation" - it is irrelevant.
The Longhorn preview is intended developers who want to target the new APIs. It
doesn't have all the "toys".



As an example of a text mode in an OS. Follow?


Then why complain aout text interfaces not being a "default way to use an OS"?

JCS

In article <3FD3EEF0.7CB464E4@knology.net>,
James Stutts <stuttjc@knology.net> wrote:

Irrelevent.

My point is it's just sad that the installer change is such a revelation
to windows users (at least the ones that have been playing with the
longhorn preview.)

It was nashton that brought up the unrelated item about single user mode
OS X.

It was that I responded to.

Follow?

Have used a mainframe, btw.

In article <3FD3F4B5.2C37E6CF@knology.net>,
James Stutts <stuttjc@knology.net> wrote:

As longhorn is not a released OS, the sample base is very low right now.
Very very low.

The people making the comments are developers, btw.

But in usage, not installation. Please keep up.

Because I'm talking about "installation" not "usage".

Brian Lewis wrote:

Scary thought.

Why is the presence of text in an install so important to you? If you're so
against it, I should think the single-user
interface in OS X would be something you'd complain about (XP has the same thing,
just called the "Recovery Console".

Is an installation process "usage"? No.


Why is the presence of a text screen during the first few minutes of the install
process such a big deal to you?

Plenty of OSes choose not to hide messages and/or don't want to waste writing a
GUI for something that doesn't happen too often.

JCS

In article <3FD3F8EB.FF068BB5@knology.net>,
James Stutts <stuttjc@knology.net> wrote:

Whatever...

It's not important to me. However, I found it to be of note that others
thought it to be such a revelation.

Hence the whole "it's sad".

It's not important to me. However, I found it to be of note that others
thought it to be such a revelation.

Hence the whole "it's sad".

In article <qTRAb.3630$IF.2020@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
"MuahMan" <muahman@msn.com> wrote:

Not as sad as Pratt.

--
George Graves
------------------
"Knowledge is Good"
Emile Faber -Founder, Faber College

Brian Lewis wrote:

<snip>

So, since a person you know found it surprising, you think all Windows users
will. Please.

JCS

In article <3FD4008B.53FF39A5@knology.net>,
James Stutts <stuttjc@knology.net> wrote:

Where do I say that? Such sweeping powers of generalization you have.

Brian Lewis wrote:

That you made such a big deal about this - you brought up this one guy you know
at work who thinks this is a big deal
and implied that this was all a Windows user would find important or interesting
in Longhorn - including the Preview.

JCS

In article <lURAb.7490$IF6.337355@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
Nashton <Nash@nospam.nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:

Not the same thing at all. That is like starting up Windows in Dos mode.
Indeed, what else would you expect?

--
Dave Fritzinger

In article <gmgravesnos-5B39E7.20321507122003@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>,
George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:

Oops, he took another pratt-fall.( sound of skiier hitting tree halfway
down Mary Jane.)

--
Regards,
JP
"The measure of a man is what he will do while expecting
that he will get nothing in return!"

In article <lURAb.7490$IF6.337355@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
Nashton <Nash@nospam.nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:

During installation?

OSX only starts in verbose mode when prompted for it, not by default.

That's still the curse for many linux distributions (dunno about Lindows), that
there is this big huge chunk of intimidating text that rolls down the screen,
and in the case of RedHat - each line is followed with a green "OK" or a big
red "FAILED" if something didn't load - regardless of how important it is to
the system.

--
Sandman[.net]

Sandman wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't guve a rat's behind how an OS starts up or how
it's installed. As long as it's usable and stable. I still fail to see
what's sad about it. Kids being hurt, wars, Mac zealots nit picking, now
*that's* sad

Nicolas

Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

In SuSE it's optional, also Mandrake I think.

BTW, what's "intimidating" about it?

Peter