Lattice is holding a webcast today, Wednesday, May 7th, on our latest
version of our FPGA software design tools "ispLEVER 7.1 FPGA Design
Tool Technical Rollout." The presenter will be Troy Scott, from our
software marketing group.

If you're interested, the event takes place live at 11am Pacific,
18:00 GMT. In addition, you will be able to view this webcast archive
on-demand, at your convenience, starting a few hours after the live
event takes place.

You can register by clicking:
http://www.latticesemi.com/corporate...designtool.cfm

Bart Borosky, Lattice

On Wed, 7 May 2008 10:52:01 -0700 (PDT), bart
<bart.borosky@latticesemi.com> wrote:



To Lattice:

We dumped Lattice over buggy compilers and dinky performance. Now that
you're spamming our group, I'll make the ban permanent.


To the group:

Whenever anybody spams us, please

1. Blackball them as a vendor

2. Say bad things about their companies and products, preferably with
lots of google-searchable keywords.

John

John Larkin wrote:
Was this really necessary?

If there were technical webcasts from any of the big vendors, I'd like
to know about them though preferably more than 8 minutes beforehand.
If the posts of this nature got to be more than a couple a month from
any one source I'd agree with the spam catagorization but it isn't
that frequent.

I'm disappointed that you had problems with them in the past and won't
trust them for future designs because of your history; competition is
almost always good. But is it reason to be publicly vocal?

Kill-lists are easy to manage if bart's messages offend you.

- John_H

John Larkin wrote:

General Comment:
I've not found complex Sw yet that does not have some bugs/blindspots.
I've also improved (pretty much) all the engineering SW I use, by
giving usable errata reports to the supplier(s).

'dinky' I have no idea about, does not sound like an engineering term ?

Do all your design decisions have the same carefull reasoning basis ?

What Bart could do is include a link to the Tools Revision History,
so potential (and past) users can see what has been changed.

-jg

John Larkin wrote:
You're wrong. Proper announcements are quite topical. The quality
may be questionable, and that is also suitable for discussion. Of
course, making the announcement less than one hour before the event
begins is indicative of poor thinking. Even 24 hours notice would
be cutting it close.

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[page]: <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
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On Wed, 7 May 2008 12:19:40 -0700 (PDT), John_H
<newsgroup@johnhandwork.com> wrote:


If we don't discourage commercial posts, newsgroups will be flooded
with them. I can't kill-file the tens of thousands of companies who
would spam newsgroups if they thought it would pay off. So let's make
sure it *doesn't* pay off.

If they want to advertise, let them pay for it somewhere else.


John

On Thu, 08 May 2008 07:37:44 +1200, Jim Granville
<no.spam@designtools.maps.co.nz> wrote:

What Bart could do is advertise in advertising venues. Usenet ain't
one.

John

On Thu, 08 May 2008 07:37:44 +1200, Jim Granville wrote:

Does all your writing show the same careful editing? >:->

Cheers!
Rich

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news1e424d2h2uldtu4qm4589v667lu96hip8@4ax.com...
For what it's worth, I agree with John.

It's a real shame that we, now, have to go out of our way to filter
commercial and sexual posts. There are proper places for both of those.
Usenet is not one of them, in my opinion.

Bob
--
== NOTE: I automatically delete all Google Group posts due to uncontrolled
SPAM ==

On Wed, 07 May 2008 17:35:23 -0400, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Since s.e.d. is unmoderated, there is no real right or wrong. We each
get one vote. I intend to say bad things about companies that spam the
group, and not buy their junk, and I hope that others will act
similarly. You do whatever pleases you.

I believe the charter, which has no force, does recommend against
commercial posts.

John

"BobW" <nimby_NEEDSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
news:q9KdnYE_8uqU2r_VnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@giganews.com ...
Come on guys, get over it, really.
The heading clearly had "ANNC:" and what it was about clearly stated, so the
OP did the right thing.
It only takes a split second to scan the header to see if you are
interested. If you aren't interested then you shouldn't have even opened it.
I'd consider this ON TOPIC and not spam as it was a one-off announcement to
the correct groups with the correct formatting.
Some people might very well be interested, this is a professional design
group with many FPGA designers afer all.

Dave.

On May 8, 8:35 am, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have to agree with John L on this one. I don't think we should in
any way encourage commercial posts here. The issue is quantity. If
we are happy with one post, why not 100? There are a couple of groups
I visit that have been virtually ruined by advertising. No, it is not
on topic advertising, but I don't think that is the point. The
quantity is the problem. I can see some groups getting hundreds or
thousands of on topic posts a day if all vendors did this. Can you
imagine how flooded comp.arch.embedded would be if every maker of
MCUs, memory, I/O chips, etc. posted just one message a day?

If you like these messages and want to receive them, why not get on
the vendor's email list? I'm sure they will only be too happy to
directly email you with all sorts of information. Isn't that what opt-
in mail lists are for???

On May 7, 2:11 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
I didn't realize that this thread is cross posted to... five different
groups. I guess we get to read it more than once as well.

I can't exactly blackball Lattice. I just designed in one of their
parts because it was almost the only part that would suit all of the
requirements. Altera has their new zero power PLDs (it's about time
guys) and Xilinx is still stuck in the 90's with their near total lack
of Flash based FPGAs. (yeah, I know they have a dual die spartan
flash chip, but they blew the packaging). So Lattice may not be
perfect, (is anyone?) but I can't blacklist them because they posted
to a newsgroup I read.

Rick

CBFalconer wrote:

It's a question of opinion, not of fact, so it's not a
matter of right or wrong.

Your observation "Proper announcements are quite topical."
supports the "it is not spam" point of view.

As you point out, Lattice (or at least its representative
Mr. Borosky) has not given a lot of thought to getting the
notice out in a "proper" manner. By "proper", I mean where
and when it would do Lattice the most good. That supports
the "it is spam" point of view.

For the record, I agree with JL. Posted here as it was it is
spam, in my opinion.

Ed

"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4822f3a7$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
people who say accept it in the same newsgroup as the one who say don't?

On Thu, 8 May 2008 10:53:36 -0500, "Robert Miles"
<robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:

OK, now imagine every seminar, every call for papers, every new
product announcement, every investors conference call, and every new
goofy marketing idea being crossposted to five newsgroups, alongside
the offers for replica watches, sneakers, and discount drugs and porn.

We need to discourage commercial posts.

John

Robert Miles wrote:
I accepted it, and I am posting in comp.arch.embedded.

Please snip your quotes.

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John Larkin wrote:
But this was not a commercial post. It was an announcement of
something of possible interest to all participants on those
newsgroups. It should have had a follow-up setting also.

Please snip the quotes on your replies.

--
[mail]: Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
[page]: <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Try the download section.


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Robert Miles wrote:
I'd agree that spanning 5 groups was on the lower end of the IQ scale.
The most relevent group would be comp.arch.fpga

-jg

On Thu, 08 May 2008 13:29:29 -0400, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>
wrote:


Well, since we all wear shoes, and most of us like sex, all the
sneaker and porn ads are of possible interest to us.

Feel free to snip whatever you like.

John