I have been out of the design game for 5 odd years now. I would like
to do a few projects, but its not worth it if I have to spend
thousands on c compilers. I am too lazy to do assembler these days
(thats what PC programming does to you!) so asm is out. Looking for
small devices from atmel and zilog and the like. The last toughest
requirement is I use windows, so no linux. Any suggestions?

Hey Andy,

I'm not sure about Zilog parts, but I know the Atmel AVR series has a
GCC port. If you download AVR Studio from Atmel, and WinAVR (the GCC
port) the 2 work quite well together. Most of the traditional unix
stuff (makefiles etc) is hidden so it's very easy to use - more like a
MS IDE. You can buy a JTAG debugger/programmer for parts <=32kB for
around 60 AUD.

I've actually got a small pile of simple ATMEGA32 development boards
sitting here unused. If you want to go down the AVR route I'll happily
mail you one and some chips.

Cheers,

Al

On Nov 25, 7:43 pm, The Real Andy <thereala...@nospam.com> wrote:

Actually, before I get 50 emails asking for one, this offer only
applies to Andy. Sorry everyone else

Al

On Nov 25, 6:03 pm, Al Borowski <al.borow...@gmail.com> wrote:
nah! thats not nice;-)

goodluck to lucky Andy.

ali

"The Real Andy" <therealandy@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In addition to the AVR suggestions already posted - Microchip have 'student
and 'evaluation' editions of their compilers (8 16 and 32bit CPUs covered).
Also there are many small ARM7 and Cortex M3 based devices with which GCC
can always be used, plus code size limited versions of commercial ARM
compilers. For an example see
http://www.freertos.org/portLM3Sxxxx_Eclipse.html.

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On Sunday 25 November 2007 10:43 The Real Andy wrote:

Fujitsu has a free C-compiler for their MB90Fxxx family.

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On 2007-11-25, The Real Andy <therealandy@nospam.com> wrote:

GCC is available for quite a few architectures:

Atmel AVR and AVR32, Freescale 6812 and 68K, TI MSP430, Hitachi
H8, and ARM based controllers from a half dozen different
vendors.

There's also a free C compiler (SDCC?) for the 8051 family, but
I can't vouch for it.

--
Grant

The r8c/m16c/m32c family is supported by GCC and, although I don't
have a windows build handy, it certainly does build there (I don't
have a linux build handy either, so there!

You can also download eval versions of their tools from their web
site, including a programming tool. I also have the programming
specs, and linux-based programmers.

You can also download free pre-built toolchains from kpitgnutools.com

The Real Andy wrote:
An engineer with one client had done some PIC16 projects with a
compiler called C2C, and this compiler ... had some problems ...
in the version he used.

C2C has upgraded into a commercial product called BOOSTC, which
costs about $150 per licence, and this one has been working
quite decently for PIC16 and PIC18 projects. It doesn't cost thousands.

Also check out the free Small Device C compiler (SDCC) for 8051 and a
few others.

Mel.

On 25/11/2007 The Real Andy wrote:

You don't have to spend $1000's. The Imagecraft tools start at USD199
and are available for AVR, ARM, MCP430 & CPU12. You can download a demo
which is fully functional for 45 days and then becomes code limited,
but will still be perfectly adequate for most hobby projects.

http://www.imagecraft.com/


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The Real Andy <therealandy@nospam.com> writes:

I'm using linux as a development platform for Freescale Coldfire
52235, but the same gnu toolchain is available for Windows (even
though I've never used it):

http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_tool.../download.html

Petter
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:50:50 -0000, Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com>
wrote:

[snip...snip...]
http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/ Originally 8051 parts but also targets
Z80, HC08 and, somewhat, PIC 16 and 18 chips. Nothing fancy but it
gets the job done. I've developed with it for Infineon C515C and Atmel
AT89C51CC03 (both varieties use 8051-style cores).

On 2007-11-25, Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com> wrote:

If you prefer a more "commercial" solution, I should have also
mentioned that Rowley Crossworks is available for "personal"
use for UKP75. They have suport for ARM, AVR, MSP430, and MaxQ:

http://www.rowley.co.uk/

--
Grant

The Real Andy wrote:
Zilog has a free unlimited C compiler, available in their ZDS2 toolchain:
http://www.zilog.com/software/zds2.asp

It runs on Windows, fully supports their dev boards, and those boards cost
very little. You should check them out, as they seem to fit your bill perfectly.

Regards,
D.

The Real Andy wrote:
It is probably better to ask who does not

Most small parts have free compilers. Zilog are free across the whole
range, Freescale are free up to a ceiling. Both these companies own
Compiler companies.

Atmel AVR8, AVR32 and C51 all also have free c compilers.

You should also test the ICE pathways, that may matter more than
the compilers.

Easiest access to ICE in the C51 series is via SiLabs, who also have
very good analog performance, and low power (and that can matter more
than 'which core')
Atmel have AVR studio Debug tools, but their ICE pathways
are at the more expensive end of the scale.

-jg

Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com> writes:
If you prefer GCC *and* commercial, you can have that too. Companies
like kpitcummings and Red Hat (my job) sell support for gcc-based
cross compilers.

DJ Delorie wrote:
And CodeSourcery have gcc for ColdFire, ARM and MIPS - either as a free
download, or a subscription version with Eclipse integration and
support. As these guys are the maintainers for these gcc ports, you get
the most cutting edge versions and their support people are extremely
knowledgeable because they work on gcc. The same applies to Red Hat,
although they work on different aspects of gcc.

I can also recommend ImageCraft as a source of cheap, easy to use, and
well-supported compilers for a number of targets.

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:01:52 -0800 (PST), Al Borowski
<al.borowski@gmail.com> wrote:


Cheers Al. Will take a look at the Atmel parts. The zilog stuff looks
like it has potential as well. In fact, I spotted a zilog part that
might fit the bill perfectly. I want to do some 12V Batt
charging/management for the boat and 4wd and I figure that I can roll
it all into a single package. Might have a poke around the Atmel site
and see what parts they have.

Its a shame the Microchip stuff is so dear. I have an ICD2 as well
lying around somewhere but I just cant justify spending US500 on the c
compiler.

Thanks everyone.

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:43:25 +1000, The Real Andy <therealandy@nospam.com> wrote:

IAR do code-size limited versions of their compiler for AVR and ARM ( maybe others). Size limits are
more than adequate for smaller parts (4K on AVR, 32K on ARM IIRC)

Hi-Tech do a free version of theor compiler for the lower-end PICs.

And there is GCC for a number of devices.