- Re: Version Control in Embedded Systems
- Posted by Stephen Baynes. on July 4th, 2003
"Yaakov" <H_shemisone@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2a2c56bb.0307020321.16e28a83@posting.google.c om...
You mean is anyone not using formal version control systems for embeded
systems?
As embeded systems are usually difficult to upgrade to a new version - the
quality levels needed require one to use some sort of formal version control
(and configuration control).
We use Telelogic Synergy.
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- Posted by steve at fivetrees on July 4th, 2003
""Paul E. Bennett"" <peb@amleth.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1057355321snz@amleth.demon.co.uk...
Point taken, Paul, but did it need to be in triplicate?
Steve
http://www.fivetrees.com
http://www.sfdesign.co.uk
- Posted by steve at fivetrees on July 6th, 2003
""Paul E. Bennett"" <peb@amleth.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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No problem. I misread it as being an ad posted 3 times - mea culpa 
.
Steve
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http://www.sfdesign.co.uk
- Posted by Paul E. Bennett on July 10th, 2003
In article <beaaos$rln$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>
steve@DELETEMEfivetrees.com "steve at fivetrees" writes:
Apparently a change at Demon meant that multi-line newsgroup lists
weren't being processed properly.
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- Posted by steve at fivetrees on July 10th, 2003
""Paul E. Bennett"" <peb@amleth.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Bizarre.
Heh. Give my regards to Niall . I still have some examples of OO-C to give
him...
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- Posted by Robert Cowham on July 11th, 2003
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in
news:cf8cgv06bf3fe1te3d9cq2s6pctr4hcl9a@4ax.com:
Even when working on a small script on my own, the ability to save versions
every few minutes if appropriate with a comment to say what was working,
what I'm about to do, just makes everything go much better. I can back out
changes, and delete sections (rather than just comment out) knowing that I
can get them back if needed.
I can't really imagine not using VC for anything.... They exist for DOS too
and can be just as easy to use.
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- Posted by John Larkin on July 11th, 2003
On 11 Jul 2003 11:02:25 GMT, Robert Cowham <rc@vaccaperna.co.uk>
wrote:
Well, different strokes. I can't imagine doing a separate backup every
few minutes, or what I would do with the resulting, say, 1500 backup
files that I'd generate during a 2-week-long embedded programming
project. I guess I'm old-fashioned: I think about the problem, write
the code, test it, release it, and I'm done.
My experience working with programs and organizations big and small is
that the fancier the tools, the worse the code.
John
- Posted by Rufus V. Smith on July 11th, 2003
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in
message news:5oktgv8lti3itoeoojqiqammc3ssfdm609@4ax.com...
That sounds funny, but my impression is the same.
I think the point of versions/backup/comment is to keep track of design
decisions and be able to backtrack when one is later proven incorrect. 1500
backup files isn't the case with a decent source control system. It is just
1500
"deltas" which consist of maybe 50-500 characters each representing the
changes in the source for the new functionality which you detail in the
comment
you filed when you made the backup. You may even consolidate deltas over
version differences you don't want to keep track of, but it doesn't really
save much, just paper when printing out your version history.
Rufus
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- Posted by Grant Edwards on July 12th, 2003
In article <8qXPa.30651$hY1.8848084@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>, me wrote:
Wow. Must be nice to be perfect. To never make a mistake. To
have an unlimited memory with inifinite accuracy.
What's it feel like to be god. Could you perhaps do something
about the weather in the midwest? It's been a bit too hot
lately.
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at better go back to my DESK
visi.com and toy with a few common
MISAPPREHENSIONS...
- Posted by Chris Hills on July 12th, 2003
In article <3f10568d$0$184$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>, Grant Edwards
<grante@visi.com> writes
Perhaps you should have read the whole post before replying?
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- Posted by me on July 13th, 2003
Mooron, is that what I said?
Perhapes you should move off your farm and go someplace where software is
not used for porn.
- Posted by me on July 13th, 2003
Thanks Chris, they don't read very well in Minnesota.
- Posted by Robert Cowham on July 14th, 2003
Do they have a lot of intellectually challenged cows where you live ;+)
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- Posted by Don Pearce on July 14th, 2003
On 14 Jul 2003 11:05:42 GMT, Robert Cowham <rc@vaccaperna.co.uk>
wrote:
As opposed to your locality, where the cows clearly have a regrettable
tendency to overacting. Either that or the pigs have been genetically
engineered to produce beef-flavoured bacon.
d
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- Posted by Dwain Wilder on July 14th, 2003
Maybe "Mooron" is the elementary particle of cattle.
Robert Cowham wrote:
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- Posted by Lewin A.R.W. Edwards on July 14th, 2003
Hmm... if you can point out such a place on a map, I've got standing
purchase orders from several right-wing cultists for houses in such an
area...
- Posted by John Larkin on July 14th, 2003
On 12 Jul 2003 18:42:22 GMT, Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com> wrote:
The Microsoft mantra, that all software has bugs, is an excellent
mind-set for making bugs. If one assumes that bugs are undesirable and
in fact a disgrace, coding can be designed to minimize errors first
pass. I do that, because I like to lie in bed and nibble chocolate and
review my code, and I hate to sweat over emulators and stuff in the
lab. More important, if you depend on testing to find bugs, you'll
never find all of them.
Comments perform that function.
John
- Posted by Dwain Wilder on July 14th, 2003
John Larkin wrote:
Now here's a guy with a work ethic I can understand! I even think what you have
to say has the ring of profundity: if one has so many bugs that one can'tfix
them through simple insight into the code, they have already infiltrated the
product to such a degree that you can no longer cure them. You can only rinse
them, a process that removes a more or less constant ratio of them (and leaves a
ratio of them). I've worked on more than a few such projects. Once this happens
you can forget about getting the code squeaky clean.
I like the bit about troubleshooting while nibbling chocolate in bed, too!
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Bear Meadow Folk Instruments
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a desire to enjoy (or savor) the world. This makes it hard to plan the day.
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- Posted by RP Henry on July 14th, 2003
"steve at fivetrees" <steve@DELETEMEfivetrees.com> wrote in message
news:bev0hb$3ll$1$830fa79d@news.demon.co.uk...
I ALWAYS design for no bugs. But I wouldn't be so rash as to say that the
result is always bug-free.
- Posted by John Larkin on July 14th, 2003
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:47:36 -0700, "RP Henry" <richard.p.henry@saic
dot com> wrote:
But is is, absolutely literally, the thought that counts.
John
