Tauno Voipio wrote:
The clue challenged syndrome is not limited to India, China, and
neighbors by any means. It is most prevalent in the young who have
just discovered Usenet.

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Grant Edwards wrote:

I can relate to your sentiments.

By far the thing that annoys me the most is that it is blatantly obvious
that they have absolutely no interest in learning anything - even just
enough to get them through the degree before they take a job selling
Cisco routers. It even extends as far as not being willing to even
understand what it is that they're _not_ learning!

I came across a few like this when I was doing my uni degree. They
freely admitted that they weren't the slightest bit interested in
learning anything taught in the course, and had no shame asking for
copies of tutorial works and assignments - spending the first half of
the lecture copying them out by hand, and then promptly leaving!

And yes, one of them did go on to sell Cisco routers. What a waste of an
engineering degree - even sadder when you think of who may have missed
out on a place because of them...

As for those 'engineers' that claim they have been given a task by their
boss, yet are clearly incapable of grasping the fundamental concepts
behind the problem and ask for "urgent help plz" (help often equating to
source code) - they're either complete liars or work for a company that
I would hope I never buy a product from.

Regards,

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Mark McDougall, Engineer
Virtual Logic Pty Ltd, <http://www.vl.com.au>
21-25 King St, Rockdale, 2216
Ph: +612-9599-3255 Fax: +612-9599-3266

On 2007-03-30, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote:

What they've discovered is Google Groups. They have no clue
what Usenet is. :/

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Grant Edwards grante Yow! Is it 1974? What's
at for SUPPER? Can I spend my
visi.com COLLEGE FUND in one wild
afternoon??

Thomas Magma wrote:
Hell, it's easy. Just go to one of the local "hi-tech" employers and
grab a couple of H-1B's. One will likely be this sort. My last couple
of "permanent" jobs were spent in substantial part fixing their
elementary mistakes, until my $70K salary became too big for the local
employers.

(and, yes, there were good H-1B's, too.)

John Perry

"Grant Edwards" <grante@visi.com> wrote in message
news:130nllbd77cbhe2@corp.supernews.com...
Think yourself lucky! I shall consider it a major milestone in my career
when a complete stranger searches me out and decides I might be the one
to solve his problem.

Of course, the shine will have gone by the third request and the tenth
might well have seen the novelty worn off completely...

Grant Edwards wrote:
I almost do not get emails like these because I am paranoid about
protecting my email address(es), but it is a growing source of
irritation in the usenet groups and mailing lists I read.

Please accept my apologies for quoting myself: (The whole thread was
"Shooting ourselves in the foot" in c.a.e, January 2006)


.... I wish there was a way to weed
out the type of "professionals" that seem to
be appearing more and more often in the
newsgroups I frequent, with posts along the
lines of:

Hi group!! I'm a surgeon and will
be performing open chest surgery
on one of my patients tomorrow.
I have a few questions:
What is an hemorrhage, when do
you use it?
What is a suture?
What is coagulation,
What is an antibiotic?
What is anesthesia, do you implant
it before or after the coagulation?
Where exactly is the heart?
Can you help me? Please email
the answer directly to the
operating room.

Yes, I am exaggerating.
No, I am not exaggerating a lot.


Roberto Waltman

[ Please reply to the group,
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Mark McDougall wrote:
European cultures) have brought ourselves to the point where you can't
get a job selling those Cisco routers _without_ a college degree. It's
a pity, because there are a lot of kinds of competent that don't require
a degree, and as you pointed out the frat boys who are just there for
the piece of paper crowd out kids with less drive/money/parental influence.

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Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

In article <otadnam1xoY-r5DbnZ2dnUVZ_qKqnZ2d@web-ster.com>, Tim Wescott
<tim@seemywebsite.com> writes
I am not sure what a "frat boy" is but I get the idea I think.

However life is all about fighting for survival. So loosing those with
less drive is just the way it goes. If they are helped over this fence
they will fall at the next. It is natures way.

However money and parental influence should not have any bearing on
getting a degree. The problem is that these days in the UK you need (a
lot of) money to be able to afford to go to university that or have no
money and the state pays.

So the rich can afford to go, the poor are assisted to go. The middle
class who traditionally used to go: pay more taxes to pay for the poor
kids and therefore can't afford to send their own kids.

Bloody ridiculous.


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Chris Hills wrote:

or they don't have the reputation over there as over here?

At any rate, they're supposed to be self-help societies to help kids do
well in school. Some of them actually are. Others are drinking and
cheating clubs, dedicated to getting one through school with the least
amount of effort. They're nearly ubiquitous at some private
universities in the US, to the point where unaffiliated students are
viewed as being odd -- saying "I don't belong to a fraternity" when
asked at such schools is like saying "oh, I crawled out from under a
rock" when asked one's birthday.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> wrote:
Quite simply, that's because higher education is *too big* now. The HE
sector in the UK has probably doubled in size since I got my degree,
and that's not quite 20 years ago. There aren't that many graduate
calibre jobs around. It's now reached the point where it must be
unreasonable for a new graduate, unless s/he offers either outstanding
intellect or specific vocational skills, can expect a job that was
"graduate calibre" a generation before.

pete
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On Mar 30, 10:30 am, Roberto Waltman <use...@rwaltman.net> wrote:
Sounds to me like someone with a little spirit of free enterprise
could take a summary of all the best postings to C.A.E and turn it
into a book! It could be called "The Best of C.A.E". But then you
would have to give it away to meet the needs of the market discussed
above!

Ulf Samuelsson <ulf@a-t-m-e-l.com> wrote:

Or, not so long ago :

hello......
i m employ of kobian electronics.................
i have get aproject of adsl modem
please give me the guidness about it that how can i make it...........
and programming is necessary in it...............
which ic is better olease tell me

Yes, 'Kobian', remember that name!

Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> writes:
The current U.S. president is an example of a frat boy.
Draw your own conclusions.

In article <20070331.79D27D0.9D67@mojaveg.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Everett M. Greene <mojaveg@mojaveg.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com> writes
It this an example of getting a degree by money and connections and no
academic skill at all?
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Chris Hills wrote:
Like Bill Gates ???

On Apr 1, 8:47 am, Chris Hills <c...@phaedsys.org> wrote:

You ask this semi-rhetorical question in language that implies a
belief that "academic skill" is a measure of something useful. The
value of an engineer, or a president, is measured in concrete
accomplishments. It's not clear how academic skill would be a good
predictor of presidential accomplishments.

In article <r9ednRzmkJ_4RpLbnZ2dnUVZ_uTinZ2d@comcast.com>, Donald
<Donald@dontdoithere.com> writes
I don't know his history that well. Did he not earn his initial degree
himself?

BTW most powerful people get conferred honorary degrees

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larwe wrote:


This is a measure of diligence, which is one of the parameters of the
usefulness.

The
The lack of the academic degree is typically the indication of not
persevere or a lazy person. Of course, there can be different situations
in the life, but this is the most usual.

Vladimir Vassilevsky

DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant

http://www.abvolt.com

On Apr 1, 1:41 pm, Vladimir Vassilevsky

Statistically speaking, the lack of any specific level of academic
achievement (reading+writing+arithmetic, high school diploma,
undergraduate degree, postgraduate degree) is, in the vast majority of
cases, due to a lack of access. For tertiary education, particularly
postgrad, this is the case even in "progressive" first-world
countries.

Even if we artificially restrict the discussion to wealthy children in
urban areas of first-world countries who do not need to work (through
all the time up to approx. 20 years old) in order to feed their
extended family, it would require a large semantic leap - a charitable
way of saying "make the facts fit the belief" - to characterize all
those who do not receive at least an undergraduate degree as lazy or
lacking perseverance.

It's likely you were basing your statement on the actualities of some
fantasy universe of which you are the sole denizen, as has been the
case in many other threads here in c.a.e. I think werty lives in the
same universe, though I suspect he's posting from an insane asylum.

larwe wrote:


No, my dear friend. You see, the lack of anything is first of all the
lack of desire or will to apply an effort to receive that. This is
especially true in the so-called "first world" countries, where the
rivers are literally made of milk and chocolate.

You are too spoiled with the good life. The education is not something
that one can have for granted. Knowledge is power only if it was gained
by the effort. You should strive for it.

Go to the army, earn money some other way. That should not be a problem
for a smart person with a dedication. BTW, quite many people did that.

it would require a large semantic leap - a charitable
I am not saying "All". I am saying "Most".

Problems with the admission of the bitter truth, huh?

Do you have to say anything else?


Vladimir Vassilevsky

DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant

http://www.abvolt.com