Im posting this to the XP newsgroup too, just so they can be even more
warned about how bad vista is, and to avoid it.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=437

read the rest of this article on the above link

Do you think Windows Vista is slow, crash-prone, or unreliable? Join the
crowd.

Over the past year, reviews of Windows Vista by mainstream media outlets,
the technical press, bloggers, and ordinary users have been, for the most
part, scathing. And many of those bad reviews were absolutely accurate. My
co-authors and I just completed an extensive post-Service Pack 1 revision of
our book Windows Vista Inside Out. Over the past year, we installed,
upgraded, and used Windows Vista on a broad cross-section of hardware
designs from nearly a dozen manufacturers. During that time, we experienced
some of those same performance, reliability, and compatibility issues
ourselves. What we found was simple: With a clean install on well-supported
hardware, everything worked just fine. But toss in an incompatible
application or a flaky video, storage, or network driver, and performance
could suffer. Badly.

Over the past year or so, we have also observed steady and occasionally
dramatic improvements in the Windows ecosystem. Most of the large issues in
Windows Vista were effectively resolved by a series of updates delivered via
Windows Update, including more than 500 fixes that were rolled up into
Service Pack 1. Third-party hardware makers, many of whom were slow to get
working Vista drivers out the door, have since released updates that can
make a huge difference in the Vista experience.

But it's in the first paragraph of the article that was linked to, on decent
hardware Vista runs fine. You wouldn't dream of putting XP on an old 486
would you?

"Clear Windows" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
news:482301b7$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

Please re-read this part of the article you posted and think about what it
says.

Incompatible application ... flaky video, storage, or network driver ...

Think about what it says. Are these Vista?

Think about what it says.

Tom Dacon wrote:
But the tube-type device always worked before. Sure, they have to change
crystals every now and again, but it won't work AT ALL with Vista!

"Clear Windows" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
news:48230919@newsgate.x-privat.org...
There's always someone ready to make up statistics to support a viewpoint...
:-)

Yeah, Vista runs fine as long as you don't do anything with it. At a pinch
you might get away with using Microsoft Office carefully.

I have experienced hundreds of false "out of memory" errors, or errors of
operation that look exactly like my machine has run out of memory. This is
at exactly the same time that the Windows Vista system reports (correctly)
that there is loads of memory free. Today I discovered that Microsoft
finally found a bug that caused this behaviour six months ago, created a
fix, and DID NOT RELEASE IT AS A CRITICAL UPDATE. So losing all
functionality is considered "not critical" by Microsoft - what kind of
mushroom-fueled cloud are they living on?

Of course this is all fine as they are putting the patch in SP1. Oh, except
they still haven't released that to us little people (sometimes called
customers), after a year or more of putting up with the bug. So Microsoft's
idea of correct practice is to make customers put up with known bugs unless
they find the fix on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck
in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of The
Leopard". [Thanks to Douglas Adams for the last quote, which seems fitting]

"Carl" <me@theworld.universe> wrote in message
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measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote:

As it should be. "Clear Windows" should be deleted, as well as
"Frank".

"Liam Roche" <noemail@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Runs quite fine here and I loaded every program I had on my XP system
that I'd collected over a 8 or 9 year period (some are carryovers from
W98).

I don't push an OS very hard, but I've had Word, Excel, Publisher
2007, Outlook 2003 and Photoshop open at the same time without
problem.

Clear Windows wrote:
That sounds like that could describe any OS ever written. Doesn't sound
like a Vista problem.

Liam Roche wrote:
better running DRM free software running under Linux that I do not have
to pay for. It seems that the Vista price is more than just the cash
outlay you pay at the store.

On Thu, 08 May 2008 16:31:48 -0500, Milt <netrage@nospammiltsweb.com>
wrote:

The "other" OS products you can buy aren't burdened with the useless
UAC, don't get mucked up with Windows Explorer, don't suffer from
Media Player shortcomings or annoy the crap out of users with dumb
things like Digital Rights Management or any of the other things
that's part of Vista right out of the box. The FACT is Vista wants to
be intrusive, untrustful and disrespectful of you the owner. So it got
three strikes against it before you even start. Only a company as
arrogant as Microsoft would be dumb enough to put such a unfinished
unpolished impractical product on the market and expect people to love
it.

On May 8, 10:51 am, "Carl" <m...@theworld.universe> wrote:

Speaking of "an old 486", I will never forget a comment John Dvorak
made in a computer magazine about 15 years ago.
When the 486's were just hitting the market he said something to the
effect of "Who in the world would ever need all that power?"
Like it was complete and utter overkill over a 386.

I remember reading that and saying to myself, how can a computer
expert with his knowledge and vision make such a statement!

google3luo359@yahoo.com wrote:

A computer writer for one of the Chicago papers mocked Intel's
selection of "Pentium" when it left behind the use of "x86"
terminology, and predicted it would prove to be a huge marketing
failure.

On Thu, 8 May 2008 16:59:41 -0700 (PDT), google3luo359@yahoo.com
wrote:

Well consider what Bill Gates once said:

From "Programmers at Work" by Microsoft Press, interview with Gates.

Interviewer: Is studying computer science the best way to prepare to
be a programmer?

Gates: "No, the best way to prepare is to write programs, and to study
great programs that other people have written. In my case, I went to
the garbage cans at the Computer Science Center and I fished out
listings of their operating system."

Now you know why Windows sucks. It is a composite of crap other people
threw away as useless.

"nil" <nil@nil.com> wrote:

[snip of some teenage gibberish]

Looks like another one to add to the boob bin.

<google3luo359@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:87eef811-8452-44a7-87c1-9ba635e46947@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
some priceless quotes from the brilliant minds at Microsoft:

- "Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider
Monkey." -- Bill Gates

- "If you can't make it good, at least make it look good."
-- Bill Gates on the solid code base of Win9X

- "What we've gone through in the last several years has caused some people
to question 'Can we trust Microsoft?'"
-- Steve Ballmer

- "I'm not sure how the company lost sight of what matters to our customers,
both business and home, the most, but in my view we lost our way. I think
our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what resilience means, what
full scenarios mean, what security means, what performance means, how
important current applications are, and really understanding what the most
important problems our customers face are"
- Jim Allchin, former Platform Products and Services Group, Microsoft.

- "I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft."
- Jim Allchin, former Platform Products and Services Group, Microsoft.

<google3luo359@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Didn't Bill Gates say 640K of RAM ought to be enough for anyone?

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bill_Gates

To quote:

"I have to say that in 1981, making those decisions, I felt like I was
providing enough freedom for 10 years. That is, a move from 64k to 640k felt
like something that would last a great deal of time. Well, it didn't - it
took about only 6 years before people started to see that as a real
problem."

LOL.

Guess he didn't envision Vista at 17% of 8GB on my machine either.

My prediction was closer, I would retire when we had 4 CPU @ 4GHz with 4GB
RAM and 4TB of disk storage as standard. Getting pretty close, have 4 core
CPUs, and 8GB or RAM. Now for 4TB disk (2 x 2TB will do) and GHz and I can
retire. People then thought I was crazy back in 1985 when I first said
this. But I might work longer than this if I still like it.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:56c724p87hvec5h95ibit80oh6li8n4a7f@4ax.com...
It is also an admission if intellectual theft by Bill. But then everything
in MS-Windows is borrowed or lifted.

And what they did invent never worked right. If anyone does not believe
that, turn on NETBUI and turn off TCP.

I wonder if they will ever fix Vista. My guess is not.

In article <fR1Vj.128104$Cj7.115091@pd7urf2no>,
Canuck57 <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote:
Netbeui works perfectly well for small scale local lan
resource sharing. It's not meant to be an enterprise networking
protocol.

"Frank" wrote in <news:482378ee$0$3377$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>:

You're beating on a brain-dead horse. He has never been involved in
corporate purchasing, leasing, or IT so he hasn't any concept of what
corporations are doing.