Why does MS not support their own product?

The box says Windows 98, Windows 2000 or above. Here I am, above
that, and you guys curtail support. Are you going to buy my now
useless product back?

Also, IF they claim to no longer support it, why not release the
details of accessing the device, such that the user base of such
hardware can work on it?

Can you guys really be *that* obtuse? How friggin' hard can it be?

Strategic Commander and other HID devices... supported? OR NOT?

Jeez, DOSBox even makes a better DOS window than you guys do...
Oh... that's right... you DON'T!

If only our country would do to you guys what Roosevelt did to
Boeing and several other companies in the WWII days.

Maybe you'd wise up... a bit. Right now, your board of directors
doesn't have your consumer base in their thoughts... at all. All the
way up to the top dog. You'd have a hard time proving to me that you
do. Go ahead... make me a liar... if you have any guilt in you at
all, you will.

ROFLMAO
A "little" more info would help!

Have you "tried" using the install CD???
Is it plugged into a USB port????

"NunYa Bidness" wrote:

>
> Why does MS not support their own product?
>
> The box says Windows 98, Windows 2000 or above. Here I am, above
> that, and you guys curtail support. Are you going to buy my now
> useless product back?
>
> Also, IF they claim to no longer support it, why not release the
> details of accessing the device, such that the user base of such
> hardware can work on it?
>
> Can you guys really be *that* obtuse? How friggin' hard can it be?
>
> Strategic Commander and other HID devices... supported? OR NOT?
>
> Jeez, DOSBox even makes a better DOS window than you guys do...
> Oh... that's right... you DON'T!
>
> If only our country would do to you guys what Roosevelt did to
> Boeing and several other companies in the WWII days.
>
> Maybe you'd wise up... a bit. Right now, your board of directors
> doesn't have your consumer base in their thoughts... at all. All the
> way up to the top dog. You'd have a hard time proving to me that you
> do. Go ahead... make me a liar... if you have any guilt in you at
> all, you will.
>

"NunYa Bidness" <nunyabidness@nunyabidness.org> wrote in message
news:29vtm1t4fg26d8lig95i8o6nuicu5sm7b4@4ax.com...
>
> Why does MS not support their own product?
Don't know. However, I do know that this newsgroup is not a way to send
messages to MS. If any employee of MS reads, they do so on their own time
from their own computers.
So, all of you comments to "you guys" are fruitless.
Jim

This forum is not an official Microsoft support entity
manned by Microsoft employees. It is a peer-to-peer
network of Microsoft users (many with advanced
knowledge of MS internals, hardware, applications,
and problem solving skills. Many of these people
are identified by "MVP" behind their screen names.)
We diligently try to share information and to help
one another.

If you purchased Strategic Commander directly from
Microsoft, and if you haven't had it more than 30
days, there is a distinct possibility that Microsoft will
indeed buy your product back from you. You'd need to
contact Microsoft sales for detailed information. If
you purchased Strategic Commander from another
source, all bets are off. You could plead with the store's
manager that your box's specs data misled you into
buying it. No harm in trying.

We suspect that supporting Strategic Commander is
way down Microsoft's strategic objectives list.

"NunYa Bidness" <nunyabidness@nunyabidness.org> wrote in message
news:29vtm1t4fg26d8lig95i8o6nuicu5sm7b4@4ax.com...
>
> Why does MS not support their own product?
>
> The box says Windows 98, Windows 2000 or above. Here I am, above
> that, and you guys curtail support. Are you going to buy my now
> useless product back?
>
> Also, IF they claim to no longer support it, why not release the
> details of accessing the device, such that the user base of such
> hardware can work on it?
>
> Can you guys really be *that* obtuse? How friggin' hard can it be?
>
> Strategic Commander and other HID devices... supported? OR NOT?
>
> Jeez, DOSBox even makes a better DOS window than you guys do...
> Oh... that's right... you DON'T!
>
> If only our country would do to you guys what Roosevelt did to
> Boeing and several other companies in the WWII days.
>
> Maybe you'd wise up... a bit. Right now, your board of directors
> doesn't have your consumer base in their thoughts... at all. All the
> way up to the top dog. You'd have a hard time proving to me that you
> do. Go ahead... make me a liar... if you have any guilt in you at
> all, you will.

YAWN
"The hardware was not installed because the wizard could not find the
necessary software" error message when you connect a Microsoft
Sidewinder USB game controller
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;830552


NunYa Bidness wrote:

> Why does MS not support their own product?
>
> The box says Windows 98, Windows 2000 or above. Here I am, above
> that, and you guys curtail support. Are you going to buy my now
> useless product back?
>
> Also, IF they claim to no longer support it, why not release the
> details of accessing the device, such that the user base of such
> hardware can work on it?
>
> Can you guys really be *that* obtuse? How friggin' hard can it be?
>
> Strategic Commander and other HID devices... supported? OR NOT?
>
> Jeez, DOSBox even makes a better DOS window than you guys do...
> Oh... that's right... you DON'T!
>
> If only our country would do to you guys what Roosevelt did to
> Boeing and several other companies in the WWII days.
>
> Maybe you'd wise up... a bit. Right now, your board of directors
> doesn't have your consumer base in their thoughts... at all. All the
> way up to the top dog. You'd have a hard time proving to me that you
> do. Go ahead... make me a liar... if you have any guilt in you at
> all, you will.

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 01:10:06 -0800, "Dave C."
<DaveC@discussions.microsoft.com> Gave us:

>ROFLMAO

How immature of you. Do they actually pay you to be so retarded?

>A "little" more info would help!

All info that is needed was given, idiot.

Strategic commander (there is only ONE).

Windows XP (why there are several can only be about money, not
providing the customer with a good, stable, singular product).

Not supported.

If you need more info than that, you shouldn't be working for them.

>Have you "tried" using the install CD???

Have you tried being a little less stupid?

>Is it plugged into a USB port????

Are either one of your two neurons even firing today?

You're an idiot. A top posting, know nothing, Usenet twit.
If your brains were dynamite, you couldn't even blow a flea off your
scalp with it.

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:28:01 GMT, "Jim" <j.n@nospam.com> Gave us:

>
>"NunYa Bidness" <nunyabidness@nunyabidness.org> wrote in message
>news:29vtm1t4fg26d8lig95i8o6nuicu5sm7b4@4ax.com.. .
>>
>> Why does MS not support their own product?
>Don't know. However, I do know that this newsgroup is not a way to send
>messages to MS. If any employee of MS reads, they do so on their own time
>from their own computers.
>So, all of you comments to "you guys" are fruitless.
>Jim

No. So far I have found two fruits. Both folks that would rather
jack off at the mouth than actually addressing the problem.

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:32:21 -0500, "Uncle Joe"
<UncleJoe@nowhere.invalid> Gave us:

>If you purchased Strategic Commander directly from
>Microsoft, and if you haven't had it more than 30
>days, there is a distinct possibility that Microsoft will
>indeed buy your product back from you. You'd need to
>contact Microsoft sales for detailed information. If
>you purchased Strategic Commander from another
>source, all bets are off. You could plead with the store's
>manager that your box's specs data misled you into
>buying it. No harm in trying.

Dude. I bought it years ago. It is MS that has dropped the ball, as
they so often do. My remark about them buying it back has to do with
a product that works fine on my W2k system, but will not work on XP.
It's really that simple. There is NO reason AT ALL for them not to
provide updated drivers for the thing. It just goes to show the
customer what really matters to your board members. It ain't the
customer... it's his wallet contents. They're all a bunch of bat's
turds in my view. Their "turn the other way and ignore" attitude
SHOULD cost them their jobs, and the company their profits!

WE built the firm.
>
>We suspect that supporting Strategic Commander is
>way down Microsoft's strategic objectives list.

See what I mean? Sheesh. The least they could do is release the
source code for the original release, so that we can use it and not
have a dead hunk of hardware lying around that MS had no problems
extracting the cash from my wallet for.

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:02:54 -0600, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> Gave us:

>YAWN

How IMMATURE of you.

>"The hardware was not installed because the wizard could not find the
>necessary software" error message when you connect a Microsoft
>Sidewinder USB game controller

>http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;830552

OK. I ain't no dummy. That isn't the error I got. I got a 16 bit
app error, and XP 64 bit edition will not run it. If it were a simple
game or other stand alone app, I could run it in DOSBox, but it is
made to run in front of a game or other application.

If you can confirm that it will work in the 64 bit edition of XP, I
will do the work of trying it. Otherwise, my remarks stand.

BTW, top posting is a bad thing. Retarded even. If you do not know
why, you should not be interloping in a forum you don't know the basic
protocols for.

Bummer, you REALLY need to read the documentation before you install.
You really believe hardware is supported in perpetuity? Top posting?!?!?
References ALWAYS go AFTER the text. Adios.


NunYa Bidness wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:02:54 -0600, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> Gave us:
>
>
>>YAWN
>
>
> How IMMATURE of you.
>
>
>>"The hardware was not installed because the wizard could not find the
>>necessary software" error message when you connect a Microsoft
>>Sidewinder USB game controller
>
>
>>http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;830552
>
>
> OK. I ain't no dummy. That isn't the error I got. I got a 16 bit
> app error, and XP 64 bit edition will not run it. If it were a simple
> game or other stand alone app, I could run it in DOSBox, but it is
> made to run in front of a game or other application.
>
> If you can confirm that it will work in the 64 bit edition of XP, I
> will do the work of trying it. Otherwise, my remarks stand.
>
> BTW, top posting is a bad thing. Retarded even. If you do not know
> why, you should not be interloping in a forum you don't know the basic
> protocols for.

"NunYa Bidness" <nunyabidness@nunyabidness.org> wrote in message
news:24kvm1lq788r7mllpstku49m618dc22c8m@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:32:21 -0500, "Uncle Joe"
> <UncleJoe@nowhere.invalid> Gave us:
>
>>If you purchased Strategic Commander directly from
>>Microsoft, and if you haven't had it more than 30
>>days, there is a distinct possibility that Microsoft will
>>indeed buy your product back from you. You'd need to
>>contact Microsoft sales for detailed information. If
>>you purchased Strategic Commander from another
>>source, all bets are off. You could plead with the store's
>>manager that your box's specs data misled you into
>>buying it. No harm in trying.
>
> Dude. I bought it years ago. It is MS that has dropped the ball, as
> they so often do. My remark about them buying it back has to do with
> a product that works fine on my W2k system, but will not work on XP.
> It's really that simple. There is NO reason AT ALL for them not to
> provide updated drivers for the thing. It just goes to show the
> customer what really matters to your board members. It ain't the
> customer... it's his wallet contents. They're all a bunch of bat's
> turds in my view. Their "turn the other way and ignore" attitude
> SHOULD cost them their jobs, and the company their profits!
>
> WE built the firm.
>>
>>We suspect that supporting Strategic Commander is
>>way down Microsoft's strategic objectives list.
>
> See what I mean? Sheesh. The least they could do is release the
> source code for the original release, so that we can use it and not
> have a dead hunk of hardware lying around that MS had no problems
> extracting the cash from my wallet for.

Dude, I feel your pain about being unable to make Strategic
Commander work properly on your win XP system. That's
too bad. Have you googled "Strategic Commander driver"
and have you checked out www.drivers.com to determine if
an updated driver is available? This is doubtful but it can't hurt
to check. Suggest you also access Microsoft's web site and
search for "Strategic Commander driver", too. There are some
hits. They may not apply to you but...

Another thing. Your comment about "your board members"
indicates that you still don't seem to get it that the participants
in this forum are not MS employees. We're simply using MS
servers. I have no connection whatsoever with MS except that
I use its products and own some of its stock. Good luck.

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:49:26 -0500, "Uncle Joe"
<UncleJoe@nowhere.invalid> Gave us:

>
>Dude, I feel your pain about being unable to make Strategic
>Commander work properly on your win XP system.

The "I feel your pain" remark is just about as bad as the "It's all
good" remark commonly made these days by the mosh pit punks that are
screwing up the world.

> That's
>too bad. Have you googled "Strategic Commander driver"
>and have you checked out www.drivers.com to determine if
>an updated driver is available? This is doubtful but it can't hurt
>to check. Suggest you also access Microsoft's web site and
>search for "Strategic Commander driver", too. There are some
>hits. They may not apply to you but...

They don't even post the last driver/software they wrote for it. In
other words, it's the "we got your money now, so you can get screwed."
attitude.
>
>Another thing. Your comment about "your board members"
>indicates that you still don't seem to get it that the participants
>in this forum are not MS employees.

Some are, but the remark was directed at the boys at MS, not any
particular member of the Usenet forum we are in.

> We're simply using MS
>servers.

No.... really?

> I have no connection whatsoever with MS except that
>I use its products and own some of its stock. Good luck.

I hope it dumps. It would serve them right.

Dude, your attitude is in the toilet. I was sympathizing
with your plight and trying to be helpful. Spent time
trying to discover some useful links that you might have
overlooked...or that you hadn't bothered to research
since you seem to enjoy whining so much.

Am not a fan of "mosh" punks, but much prefer them
to you. There are times when one can reason with punks.
You're beyond all hope.

To think that I wasted even a few minutes time out of
my life on you and problem vexes me to no end. I'm
outta here. Don't bother responding to this post. I've
killfiled you and your obnoxious topic.


"NunYa Bidness" <nunyabidness@nunyabidness.org> wrote in message
news:lp61n113mada4cn46ffke61vllbte4hl66@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:49:26 -0500, "Uncle Joe"
> <UncleJoe@nowhere.invalid> Gave us:
>
>>
>>Dude, I feel your pain about being unable to make Strategic
>>Commander work properly on your win XP system.
>
> The "I feel your pain" remark is just about as bad as the "It's all
> good" remark commonly made these days by the mosh pit punks that are
> screwing up the world.
>
>> That's
>>too bad. Have you googled "Strategic Commander driver"
>>and have you checked out www.drivers.com to determine if
>>an updated driver is available? This is doubtful but it can't hurt
>>to check. Suggest you also access Microsoft's web site and
>>search for "Strategic Commander driver", too. There are some
>>hits. They may not apply to you but...
>
> They don't even post the last driver/software they wrote for it. In
> other words, it's the "we got your money now, so you can get screwed."
> attitude.
>>
>>Another thing. Your comment about "your board members"
>>indicates that you still don't seem to get it that the participants
>>in this forum are not MS employees.
>
> Some are, but the remark was directed at the boys at MS, not any
> particular member of the Usenet forum we are in.
>
>> We're simply using MS
>>servers.
>
> No.... really?
>
>> I have no connection whatsoever with MS except that
>>I use its products and own some of its stock. Good luck.
>
> I hope it dumps. It would serve them right.

On XP64 bit no less!

Uncle Joe wrote:

> Dude, your attitude is in the toilet. I was sympathizing
> with your plight and trying to be helpful. Spent time
> trying to discover some useful links that you might have
> overlooked...or that you hadn't bothered to research
> since you seem to enjoy whining so much.
>
> Am not a fan of "mosh" punks, but much prefer them
> to you. There are times when one can reason with punks.
> You're beyond all hope.
>
> To think that I wasted even a few minutes time out of
> my life on you and problem vexes me to no end. I'm
> outta here. Don't bother responding to this post. I've
> killfiled you and your obnoxious topic.
>
>
> "NunYa Bidness" <nunyabidness@nunyabidness.org> wrote in message
> news:lp61n113mada4cn46ffke61vllbte4hl66@4ax.com...
>
>>On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:49:26 -0500, "Uncle Joe"
>><UncleJoe@nowhere.invalid> Gave us:
>>
>>
>>>Dude, I feel your pain about being unable to make Strategic
>>>Commander work properly on your win XP system.
>>
>> The "I feel your pain" remark is just about as bad as the "It's all
>>good" remark commonly made these days by the mosh pit punks that are
>>screwing up the world.
>>
>>
>>>That's
>>>too bad. Have you googled "Strategic Commander driver"
>>>and have you checked out www.drivers.com to determine if
>>>an updated driver is available? This is doubtful but it can't hurt
>>>to check. Suggest you also access Microsoft's web site and
>>>search for "Strategic Commander driver", too. There are some
>>>hits. They may not apply to you but...
>>
>> They don't even post the last driver/software they wrote for it. In
>>other words, it's the "we got your money now, so you can get screwed."
>>attitude.
>>
>>>Another thing. Your comment about "your board members"
>>>indicates that you still don't seem to get it that the participants
>>>in this forum are not MS employees.
>>
>>Some are, but the remark was directed at the boys at MS, not any
>>particular member of the Usenet forum we are in.
>>
>>
>>>We're simply using MS
>>>servers.
>>
>> No.... really?
>>
>>
>>>I have no connection whatsoever with MS except that
>>>I use its products and own some of its stock. Good luck.
>>
>> I hope it dumps. It would serve them right.
>
>
>

You have made great attempts to insult everyone that has tried to help and
most of those who have not.
If you really want support, you would probably be more successful in a
different forum.
But first, be sure to lurk for a long enough time to see how the forum
works.
Also read any guidelines the forum may have to avoid the large pitfalls you
fell into here that will prevent you from getting the support you desire.

Top posting is OK here, there is no "basic protocols" against it here.
Your choice either way, but your comments on it probably alienated a few
possible answers to your questions.
This link will explain the Rules of Conduct:
http://www.microsoft.com/communities...t/default.mspx

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"NunYa Bidness" <nunyabidness@nunyabidness.org> wrote in message
news:29vtm1t4fg26d8lig95i8o6nuicu5sm7b4@4ax.com...
>
> Why does MS not support their own product?
>
> The box says Windows 98, Windows 2000 or above. Here I am, above
> that, and you guys curtail support. Are you going to buy my now
> useless product back?
>
> Also, IF they claim to no longer support it, why not release the
> details of accessing the device, such that the user base of such
> hardware can work on it?
>
> Can you guys really be *that* obtuse? How friggin' hard can it be?
>
> Strategic Commander and other HID devices... supported? OR NOT?
>
> Jeez, DOSBox even makes a better DOS window than you guys do...
> Oh... that's right... you DON'T!
>
> If only our country would do to you guys what Roosevelt did to
> Boeing and several other companies in the WWII days.
>
> Maybe you'd wise up... a bit. Right now, your board of directors
> doesn't have your consumer base in their thoughts... at all. All the
> way up to the top dog. You'd have a hard time proving to me that you
> do. Go ahead... make me a liar... if you have any guilt in you at
> all, you will.

NunYa Bidness wrote:
> Why does MS not support their own product?

Turns out they DO still support it - surprisingly.
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=6749
Choose your country and click on the arrow..
Surprisingly they support it longer than they will Windows XP with SP1.

I would suppose you need to try and contact Microsoft directly about it.
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=support

Hope that helps!

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:58:33 -0600, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> Gave us:

>On XP64 bit no less!

A top posting Usenet retard... you are... no more.

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:57:45 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> Gave us:

>This link will explain the Rules of Conduct:

Rules? It IS Usenet. If you want to separate yourself from Usenet
and its posting protocols, then do NOT carry these lame groups IN
Usenet. It is that simple. If you DO carry them in Usenet, then you
should be following Usenet protocols, not making up your own.

The ONLY reason that top posting is OK in your lame view of the
world (MS) is due to the fact that you all created a screwed up news
client with your Outhouse Un-Expressive, and its default posting
methodology following that of basic e-mail. How quaint.

This ain't e-mail, and MS' attempt at creating a viable email
client, and failing proves further how little they aspire to actually
cater to customer needs.

The idiot that asked me if I think they should support that piece of
hardware into perpetuity was a retard! It is a USB device, and as
long as USB IS the standard, the devices they make and sell should be
supported. Dig?


Their little "do it yourself" fix is yet another proof at their
lameness. They are so unsupportive that they can pay some idiot to
construct a web page that describes how to fix manually THEIR problem,
when what they should have done is re-issue the software in a working
form.

Your views on this couldn't be more lame. Yes, they SHOULD be still
supporting it. It is only a couple years old piece of hardware, and
they are not selling newer devices that would eclipse its presence.

So, yeah! They should still be supporting it, and it should have
newer, properly functioning software written for it. If not, the
sources should be released, and it is that friggin' simple!

Otherwise, I want my $50 back for the total, now non-functioning
POS.

How can any of you be that friggin' obtuse?!

And, as always, you have nothing to contribute but being the troll you are.

"NunYa Bidness" <nunyabidness@nunyabidness.org> wrote in message
news:dac5n1d92d5r7qccrlvf7p04dj653sr89l@4ax.com...

On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:38:16 -0600, "Shenan Stanley"
<newshelper@gmail.com> Gave us:

>NunYa Bidness wrote:
>> Why does MS not support their own product?
>
>Turns out they DO still support it - surprisingly.

I see absolutely nothing surprising about something they SHOULD be
DOING anyway.

>http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=6749
>Choose your country and click on the arrow..
>Surprisingly they support it longer than they will Windows XP with SP1.

If the statement made on that page is correct, then WHY is there no
software available? They do not allow it to be DL'd anymore, nor do
they list it anywhere that I could find.
>
>I would suppose you need to try and contact Microsoft directly about it.
>http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=support

I noticed that page did not say that they CHARGE you for said
support.

They don't need me to talk with them, they NEED to make a cite that
carries the items needed that does support the product, not make it
some run around sue BS that is near impossible to locate.

I notice that *THAT* link did not get posted. Hmmm... I wonder why.

Thanks for the help, but I already knew how to contact them directly,
I am just not willing to pay for something that they should be
providing as a part of the base product. You know... they way things
used to be before the entire computer world went to the B. Gates
School of Suck Mo Cash. The pay by the minute support thing YOU guys
created in the computer world is even more lame than the sex talk
lines that started the method.