What are the pros and cons for upgrading to 4.1 from 3.8? Is it worth my
while? I have a HP Ipaq running WM with VGA support (not the 2005 version)

Beverly

The _only_ reason to install 4.1 is if you have a WM5 device which
_requires_ 4.x to sync.

Do _not_ upgrade if you do not have a WM5 device.

Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]

"Beverly Brown" <bbucetrap@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Why do you think you want to upgrade?
Does it have extra features you need or is it just the version numbers
thing- it's has a bigger number on it?


From MS:
Please note that it is recommended that customers use ActiveSync 4.0 only
for devices running Windows Mobile 5.0 software.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobi...c/default.mspx

For you, 'HP Ipaq running WM with VGA support (not the 2005 version)', no
pros, all cons.

--
Sven
MVP - Mobile Devices
"Beverly Brown" <bbucetrap@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Beverly,
This concerns me, maybe you have some insight.

I would anticipate that Microsoft is focusing their efforts on 4.1 and
future revisions. But what do we users of 3.8 do? Have they split the path
for ActiveSync or will there be a version that combines these versions back
into one that will work with Windows2003 devices?

Paul P

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We have to assume that 4.x will evolve into a better product, but
history indicates that such an evolution will take time.

In addition, ms has been pretty blatent about designing upgrade paths
that do not support "legacy" hardware or software but force upgrades in
a number of cases... for example, win95 was dropped with 3.5 and XP is
required for 4.x...

3.x versions do what they were vended to do... so, with the support here
and elsewhere, they are functional versions depending on the combination
of device and desktop... in other words, it's "survivable" and you
shouldn't really need any changes in 3.8 to meet most needs... indeed,
it currently offers more options than 4.x

Just to be clear, AS 4.1 works fine with WM2003, WM2002 etc. It does limit
some features such as WiFi sync though, which are removed for WM5 devices.
The point being made is that there is no reason to upgrade to 4.1 if you do
not have a WM5 device. You gain nothing and lose some features that you may
be enjoying. I personally have several pre-WM5 devices that are happily
syncing with AS4.1. I have WM5 devices that I needed to upgrade for. For
those that don't, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Sven
MVP - Mobile Devices
"Paul Proefrock" <proefrock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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I have not been able to get wifi sync to work anyway. What kind if WiFi is
supposed to work? Is it only Bluetooth?

Beverly

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This is what concerns me as well. There are some features that could be
improved upon so I was thinking of upgrading to the latest version to see
what improvements may have been made already before making any requests.

For instance, it is really not intuitive at all that a partnership needs to
be deleted before attempting to connect after restoring a device after a
hard reset.

And the backup/restore functionally that is in ActiveSync doesn't seem to
work (it didn't for me anyway - fortunately I had a backup in the device
file store).

And it should allow the user to specify uni-directional transfers if
desired. This is available with Palm devices.

But since the latest version will not fully support my
not-so-old-but-now-considered-legacy device, I guess I can't expect any
improvements in that area. Maybe my next PDA should be a Palm.

Beverly

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Read the newsgroups first to see if you are swapping what you perceive as an
issue for other issues. Palms aren't perfect either.

"Beverly Brown" <bbucetrap@hotmail.com> of wrote:
been eliminated, by removing backup!
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WiFi and BT are distinct. With AS 3.8 you should be able to connect to your
WiFi network and initiate a sync from your PPC. If you can connect to your
Wifi (802.11) network and browse the internet, you are halfway there. The
catch is that addressing things inside your network, (your PC) and outside
your network (the internet) is done differently. To address things inside
your network you typically need to be using the Work profile. The catch
there is that you lose internet capability unless you also go to the proxy
screen for Work and check that this network (Work) connects to the internet.

You do need to initiate the sync from the PPC.

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MVP - Mobile Devices
"Beverly Brown" <bbucetrap@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The partnership should not need to be removed and re-established if you back
up your PPC and restore. You are restoring it's identity when you restore.
You do often run the risk of getting some duplicates but that is unavoidable
as your backup DBs don't match the desktop DBs and the transaction records
don't match.

Restoring from an AS back has worked for me. The best way is to connect as a
guest and then run restore. Disconnect the PPC when that is done and soft
reset. Recradling should get you back up, with the original partnership. I
prefer the backup to SD or Filestore myself, so didn't use the AS feature
except to try it.

You should only need to delete a partnership if you are establishing a New
partnership, and wish to use a name already in use.

Possibly unidirectional transfers might be a good idea, but if you only ever
change things on your desktop, that's all you'll ever get. If you are
needing this to sync two PCs of data onto the PPC without cross pollinating
the data back to the PCs, I believe Intellisync will let you do that.

I have friends that constantly don't have current info on their Palms
because they didn't sync, before they pulled the device from the cradle
before leaving, and I spent an hour getting a colleagues Palm back to
syncing the other day. They aren't bulletproof either.

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Sven
MVP - Mobile Devices
"Beverly Brown" <bbucetrap@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I am so sick of the overstuffed beast that constantly force feeds us
inferior garbage applications (MS). Once AGAIN MS has taken a mediocre
applet and through long and surely expensive development, made it worse. I
was functioning adequately with AS 3.8. I could cradle my 50v and sync it or
I could sync across my wireless network, neither of which I can do now (with
WM5), because of the wonderful enhancements to this version. I have been
locked out of avantgo beacase my PDA has been syncing the material every 5
mins all night long. Do you wonderboys in Redmond ever use commonsense? or
is it strictly about how much money you can squeeeze out of everyone of us?
I am so delighted to see Google get in the way of your attempts to lock us
into other garbage that is less than useful. MS will in time (short time I
hope) go the same way as all other over fed behemoths (like IBM and now GM)
to struggle to stay alive among other enterprises that create better and
more valuable products. You know The Communist regimes had the same basic
mentality, They grabbed power through harsh and autocratic methods, then
they kept their constituents, through force and fear, not because it was the
best program, but because it was the only choice available.

I have not asked anyone to help me with this problem because I already know,
there is no solution, accept to patronize other entities in aneffort to
dimish MS' market share.

I found this Newsgroup through FireFox 1.5 and I hope Opensource is giving
you bum's a headache also.

OK. that explains it. I never tried it with the Work profile. It's odd that
the setting that lets you get to the internet will not let you get to the
intranet.

I'll give that a shot.

Beverly

"Sven" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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If I don't delete the partnership it deletes everything from my PC because
it isn't in my PPC from the restored image and it thinks the information in
my PPC after the restore is newer than what's on my PC.

Maybe it works as you describe if you're able to restore from an AS backup.
I couldn't. It gave me an error when I tried.

Beverly

"Sven" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Nope. Still not working. I used the work profile, I made sure AS on my PC
was accepting Ethernet connections, I even disabled my firewall and it just
doesn't work for me. I also made sure that the PPC was picking the right PC
o sync to when doing remote. I didn't setup the server stuff because th PC
on my home network is not a server. There is no domain at home.

I have WM2003SE if that makes a difference. In activesync on my ppc, I'm
tapping "Sync". It tries to connect then does nothing.

Beverly

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