I am having a hard time finding out all
the options for combining cable modem and
router/NAT functionality in one unit.

There are a few (e.g. Linksys and Netgear)
that have hub (multiple ports) and wireless
functionality, but I dont really need that.

Since I am going to use a GigE switch for my
home LAN, I just need the router/modem
function.

Can someone give me pointers to brands/models
I should be looking at?

thanks
Adrian

Adrian wrote:
Get a regular Motorola SB5100 for your modem and then
sort out what you need for a router (wireless/wired,
SPI/NAT, VPN, etc). I would get one with a builtin
4-port switch even if you go wireless (most have it).
I would recommend Netgear and Linksys for brands
and if you don't need wireless, you can get a Netgear
614 for like $20 after rebates (just watch the ads
in the Sunday paper for CompUSA, CircuitCity, BestBuy,
OfficeDepot, etc.) for a netgear (or Linksys) sale.

Hopefully your switch can handle 10/100 also to connect
to the router.

If the Gigabit Ethernet switch is not Fiber and is twisted pair, then the Ethernet switch
should be a 10/100/1,000Mb/s Ethernet switch.

Gig-E over twisted pair is merely four twisted pairs of 250Mb/s circuits combined to provide
1,000Mb/s.

Dave



"$Bill" <news@SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote in message news:QridndBindV9g6jcRVn-hg@adelphia.com...
| Adrian wrote:
| > I am having a hard time finding out all
| > the options for combining cable modem and
| > router/NAT functionality in one unit.
| >
| > There are a few (e.g. Linksys and Netgear)
| > that have hub (multiple ports) and wireless
| > functionality, but I dont really need that.
| >
| > Since I am going to use a GigE switch for my
| > home LAN, I just need the router/modem
| > function.
| >
| > Can someone give me pointers to brands/models
| > I should be looking at?
|
| Get a regular Motorola SB5100 for your modem and then
| sort out what you need for a router (wireless/wired,
| SPI/NAT, VPN, etc). I would get one with a builtin
| 4-port switch even if you go wireless (most have it).
| I would recommend Netgear and Linksys for brands
| and if you don't need wireless, you can get a Netgear
| 614 for like $20 after rebates (just watch the ads
| in the Sunday paper for CompUSA, CircuitCity, BestBuy,
| OfficeDepot, etc.) for a netgear (or Linksys) sale.
|
| Hopefully your switch can handle 10/100 also to connect
| to the router.

Adrian wrote:

Here's a free RP614 from Fry's (after rebates) :

http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3321502

This is too funny, the rebate will expire in two days !

$40.00 Rebate! Regularly $40.00 (rebate expires on 2004-09-02)
Request Must Be Postmarked By 10/02/04

Dave




"$Bill" <news@SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote in message news:IoudnRYA34REu6jcRVn-pg@adelphia.com...
| Adrian wrote:
|
| > I am having a hard time finding out all
| > the options for combining cable modem and
| > router/NAT functionality in one unit.
| >
| > There are a few (e.g. Linksys and Netgear)
| > that have hub (multiple ports) and wireless
| > functionality, but I dont really need that.
| >
| > Since I am going to use a GigE switch for my
| > home LAN, I just need the router/modem
| > function.
| >
| > Can someone give me pointers to brands/models
| > I should be looking at?
|
| Here's a free RP614 from Fry's (after rebates) :
|
| http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3321502

David H. Lipman wrote:

Am I missing something - what's funny about it ?

The EXTREMELY short period.

First you have to ask why would you sell a product only to rebate the full price back to the
customer. Then to see only ~50hrs left on the rebate offer...

You don't find humour in that ? I do.

Dave




"$Bill" <news@SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote in message news:NL6dnSamUICgsKjcRVn-jQ@adelphia.com...
| David H. Lipman wrote:
|
| > This is too funny, the rebate will expire in two days !
| >
| > $40.00 Rebate! Regularly $40.00 (rebate expires on 2004-09-02)
| > Request Must Be Postmarked By 10/02/04
|
| Am I missing something - what's funny about it ?
|
|
| > "$Bill" <news@SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote in message
news:IoudnRYA34REu6jcRVn-pg@adelphia.com...
| > | Here's a free RP614 from Fry's (after rebates) :
| > |
| > | http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3321502
| >
| >

David H. Lipman wrote:

I've bought many a rebate that took the price to $0 - I don't find
a problem with that.

Two days left - the rebate didn't start today, it just happens to be
near the end of the 1 week rebate period (8/27-9/2) and it's apparently
a Fry's/Netgear rebate. What's the big deal - you never grabbed a
product with a day or two left on the rebate ?

Are you saying this isn't a good deal or what ? If I needed a
wired router (I already have an RP614) or one of the other
products on the rebate, I'd jump on it.

The rebate lists these products (so there are other choices):

Offer # Product Limit Mail-in Rebate
21028 [ ] WG511 (UPC#606449011241) 3 $20.00
21028 [ ] WG311 (UPC#606449028423) 3 $20.00
21028 [ ] WG511T (UPC#606449030051) 3 $20.00
21028 [ ] WG311T(UPC#606449034523) 3 $20.00
21028 [ ] PS121 (UPC#606449034684) 3 $20.00
21029 [ ] MR814 (UPC#606449024524) 3 $30.00
21029 [ ] WGT624 (UPC#606449029994) 3 $30.00
21029 [ ] MP101 (UPC#606449030563) 3 $30.00
21029 [ ] WGR101 (UPC#606449036497) 3 $30.00
21030 [ ] RP614 (UPC#606449023022) 3 $40.00
21030 [ ] WGR614 (UPC#606449027600) 3 $40.00
21031 [ ] WGT634U (UPC#606449034875) 3 $50.00
21032 [ ] WGB111 (UPC#606449035254) 3 $60.00

Gee a whole week for a rebate. Wow that is a long time, a whole 1/52 of a year !

Can you say "quality control production run" problem ?

Why would a manufacturer sell a product only to return the price ? Just processing the
rebate costs the manufacturer money. What's their gain ? The only reason I can envisage
is that the company had a poor quality control run in the manufacturing process and is
dumping the "failed QC production run" product on the market.

No, I never take "advantage" of these offers. That's probably why I have so few hardware
failures.

I still find this all too funny. I'm sorry if you don't se the humour in it.

Dave




"$Bill" <news@SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote in message news:8sydnfAbY-lIrajcRVn-tg@adelphia.com...
| David H. Lipman wrote:
|
| > The EXTREMELY short period.
| >
| > First you have to ask why would you sell a product only to rebate the full price back to
the
| > customer. Then to see only ~50hrs left on the rebate offer...
| >
| > You don't find humour in that ? I do.
|
| I've bought many a rebate that took the price to $0 - I don't find
| a problem with that.
|
| Two days left - the rebate didn't start today, it just happens to be
| near the end of the 1 week rebate period (8/27-9/2) and it's apparently
| a Fry's/Netgear rebate. What's the big deal - you never grabbed a
| product with a day or two left on the rebate ?
|
| Are you saying this isn't a good deal or what ? If I needed a
| wired router (I already have an RP614) or one of the other
| products on the rebate, I'd jump on it.
|
| The rebate lists these products (so there are other choices):
|
| Offer # Product Limit Mail-in Rebate
| 21028 [ ] WG511 (UPC#606449011241) 3 $20.00
| 21028 [ ] WG311 (UPC#606449028423) 3 $20.00
| 21028 [ ] WG511T (UPC#606449030051) 3 $20.00
| 21028 [ ] WG311T(UPC#606449034523) 3 $20.00
| 21028 [ ] PS121 (UPC#606449034684) 3 $20.00
| 21029 [ ] MR814 (UPC#606449024524) 3 $30.00
| 21029 [ ] WGT624 (UPC#606449029994) 3 $30.00
| 21029 [ ] MP101 (UPC#606449030563) 3 $30.00
| 21029 [ ] WGR101 (UPC#606449036497) 3 $30.00
| 21030 [ ] RP614 (UPC#606449023022) 3 $40.00
| 21030 [ ] WGR614 (UPC#606449027600) 3 $40.00
| 21031 [ ] WGT634U (UPC#606449034875) 3 $50.00
| 21032 [ ] WGB111 (UPC#606449035254) 3 $60.00
|
| > "$Bill" <news@SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote in message
news:NL6dnSamUICgsKjcRVn-jQ@adelphia.com...
| > | David H. Lipman wrote:
| > |
| > | > This is too funny, the rebate will expire in two days !
| > | >
| > | > $40.00 Rebate! Regularly $40.00 (rebate expires on 2004-09-02)
| > | > Request Must Be Postmarked By 10/02/04
| > |
| > | Am I missing something - what's funny about it ?
| > |
| > |
| > | > "$Bill" <news@SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote in message
| > news:IoudnRYA34REu6jcRVn-pg@adelphia.com...
| > | > | Here's a free RP614 from Fry's (after rebates) :
| > | > |
| > | > | http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3321502
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >

David H. Lipman wrote:

Most rebates I've seen run from a week to a month (a few may go longer,
but not usually).

No. These are normal RP614s that you would buy anywhere and mine
is pretty much problem free. You are sounding awful paranoid.

1) The rebate may be coming from both Fry's and Netgear (part from each).
2) They get to borrow money from you at no interest rate and sell out
remaining stock on a product that may be phasing out.

If I offer you a CD for $10 and a $10 rebate and the CD is World Book
encyclopedia that is going to expire in 3 months (or rather get updated
in 3 months with the next year's version), would you think it's worth
loaning them $10 for 8 weeks while you wait for your rebate (PS: you
have a kid in high school) ?

See 2) above.

Not so - they are warrantee'd just like all their equipment.

I don't have any either and I save the money that you don't.

This is absolutely unhumourous except for your attitude - now that's
funny! You must be one of those conspiracy nuts.

David H. Lipman wrote:
1. While e-mail spam no longer cares about valid address lists, a rebate
gathers postal addresses and phone numbers. Those lists can be sold.
("Do Not Call List"? Doesn't matter. The terms of the rebate usually
include opting-in to allow calls from companies the lists are sold to.)

2. There will be people who make a buying decision based on the rebate,
but then either forget to send in for it, or don't follow directions.

3. Excessive inventory. Whether it's the end of the product's life, and
they want to clear the inventory before liquidating it for even less, or
simply a problem that production is greater than demand, but shutting
down production costs too much, there are times that an inventory just
needs to be cleared.


Personally, I do not make buying decisions based on rebates. If it's not
a good deal before the rebate, I'm not buying. Sure, if there is a
rebate, I'll apply for it, but that's gravy. I've seen too many cases in
which collecting a rebate became a volley of letters back and forth, and
the consumer usually looses.

I also have a problem with "store" rebates more than "manufacturer"
rebates. The manufacturer can lower the wholesale price, but can't
guarantee that the savings will be passed on to the consumer. A rebate
can get product moving faster than a wholesale price reduction. But a
store rebate -- what's the point? If the store wants me to save money,
they can just take the price off when I walk up to the register. The
so-called "instant rebate", which is really nothing more than a price
reduction at the register. When a store requires a mail in rebate,
they're hoping that either I'll forget, or they're trying to build up a
mailing/phone list for other purposes.

As for these "free after rebate" offers, the longer-term they are, the
more suspicious they are. (Remember CyberRebate.com?) A very short-term
manufacturer's rebate probably is just a way to get excess inventory
moving. While I still won't make a purchase decision based on the
rebate, in those cases I hold out more hope that in the end I may
actually be able to collect the rebate without work beyond the initial
mailing required.

Just in case any marketers are reading, but not reading closely, rebates
do not affect my buying decisions. "Store" rebates that aren't instantly
given at the register create a negative impression of the store. Maybe
I'm not holding the majority viewpoint, but don't kid yourself into
thinking that I'm the only one who thinks this way.

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
Blatant Plug: Books for your Northwest garden:
http://www.holzemville.com/mall/nwgarden/index.html

David H. Lipman wrote:

So, you have 2 days to buy one. When did the rebate start? Many I've seen
are only on for a few days or a week.

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$Bill wrote:

That proves it. You must be out to get him! Hopefully he doesn't live in
Montana. ;-)

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Warren wrote:

There may also be consumer protection laws, that may affect running certain
sales. Rebates may be a way around them.


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Never anonymous Bud wrote:

I got a $3000 rebate from Ford, when I b ought a new car a couple of years
ago. Since I didn't have to mail a form in and wait for a cheque, it was
an "in store" rebate. ;-)

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In article <eHaZc.107$ZS6.6@trndny07>,
David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
:Gee a whole week for a rebate. Wow that is a long time, a whole 1/52
f a year !
:
:Can you say "quality control production run" problem ?
:
:Why would a manufacturer sell a product only to return the price ?
:Just processing the rebate costs the manufacturer money. What's their
:gain ? The only reason I can envisage is that the company had a poor
:quality control run in the manufacturing process and is dumping the
:"failed QC production run" product on the market.
:
:No, I never take "advantage" of these offers. That's probably why I
:have so few hardware failures.
:
:I still find this all too funny. I'm sorry if you don't se the humour
:in it.

Then I guess you'd be in hysterics over the rebates on my Motorola
SB5100 cable modem:

Price of modem: $79.99

Cash rebate from Motorola: $20.00
Cash rebate from Circuit City: $60.00 (new service w/Comcast req'd)
Merchandise card from Circuit City: $50.00 (new service w/Comcast req'd)
-------
Total rebates: $130.00

The cash rebates are in the bank. The merchandise card in is my
wallet awaiting my next trip to Circuit City.

The SB5100 shows no signs of failing.

--
Bob Nichols AT comcast.net I am "rnichols42"

Robert Nichols wrote:
That's what I'm talking about - $50 cash and a free modem !

Dave will try to tell you it's a factory reconditioned second and
they won't honor your merchandise card.

$Bill wrote:
This is misleading. Only $20 is coming from Motorola, and none of it is
really coming from Circuit City. The bulk of the money is coming from
Comcast. And the cost of the Comcast service required for some reason
wasn't included in presenting this deal here.

Essentially what is happening is Comcast is buying the modem, but if the
modem fails, it'll be between the end user and Motorola. Comcast won't
just come out and swap modems as they do when the end user rents a modem
that Comcast buys. That's part of the cost of this deal, too.

And this deal is only available to people who aren't already Comcast HSI
customers. This is an effective way of getting people to try Comcast
HSI. It's not a way to get people to buy cablemodems. It's a way to get
new cable Internet customers!

Now here's the other questions: How much money does one have to part
with to purchase this deal? Would this modem and cable Internet service
be worth it if something went wrong, and the rebates never came? What if
the Internet service is unacceptably bad? After paying for the service,
you're certainly not going to be ahead $50. If the service sucks, how
much did you spend?

I'll admit that even when you add in all the costs to the consumer, it's
not a bad deal -- assuming they have a need for broadband Internet
service, and aren't going to have to pay to be released from a contract
they already might have. But this isn't a quick way for someone to make
$50. More is required to get that "free" $50 than a 37-cent stamp, and
an envelope. If the consumer had no need for broadband Internet service,
despite the rosy picture painted initially, it's a crappy deal.

If it looks too good to be true, it probably is. People who tend to
forget that law of nature are a big part of the target market for
rebates.

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
Blatant Plug: Books for your Northwest garden:
http://www.holzemville.com/mall/nwgarden/index.html

Warren wrote:

You're missing the point I think. Suppose you were about to sign up
for Comcast and I told you you could get a free modem and $50 credit
if you drove over to Circuit City and signed up there for the same deal.

Would you sign up with Comcast or would you go over to CC and sign up
there ? Either way, you're going to sign up, so that part of the
deal isn't pertinent - what's pertinent is what you can get back by
going to CC.

Another skeptic.

In article <sWuZc.354243$%_6.305346@attbi_s01>,
Warren <wholzem@hotmail.com> wrote:
:$Bill wrote:
:> > Price of modem: $79.99
:> > Cash rebate from Motorola: $20.00
:> > Cash rebate from Circuit City: $60.00 (new service
:w/Comcast req'd)
:> > Merchandise card from Circuit City: $50.00 (new service
:w/Comcast req'd)
:>
:> That's what I'm talking about - $50 cash and a free modem !
:>
:> Dave will try to tell you it's a factory reconditioned second and
:> they won't honor your merchandise card.
:
:This is misleading. Only $20 is coming from Motorola, and none of it is
:really coming from Circuit City. The bulk of the money is coming from
:Comcast. And the cost of the Comcast service required for some reason
:wasn't included in presenting this deal here.

Oh yes, terribly misleading. Once the decision to buy service from
Comcast was made, my choice was between:

a) Have Comcast supply the modem and charge me $3.00 a month for
however long I keep the service (and lock myself out from ever
getting a "free" modem in the future, since I wouldn't be a new
customer any more), or

b) Buy the modem from Circuit City for nothing (after the cash
rebates) and receive $50 in Circuit City merchandise in addition.

[SNIP]
:Now here's the other questions: How much money does one have to part
:with to purchase this deal? Would this modem and cable Internet service
:be worth it if something went wrong, and the rebates never came? What if
:the Internet service is unacceptably bad? After paying for the service,
:you're certainly not going to be ahead $50. If the service sucks, how
:much did you spend?

To qualify for the rebate I needed to keep the service for 60 days at
Comcast's introductory rate of $19.95/month, which was less than I was
paying for dialup service. Comcast does not require any service
contract (unlike buying DSL from SBC, which would require me to commit
to a 1 year contract).

"If ..., if ..., if ..., if ... ." Basically you're asking, "If the
whole deal went bad, would it still be a good deal?" Of course not.
Heck, I could walk up to you on the street and hand you a $50 bill.
Good deal for you? Not if that $50 bill turned out to be counterfeit
and you ended up spending a couple of hours in a police station
explaining where you got it.

[SNIP]
: If the consumer had no need for broadband Internet service,
:despite the rosy picture painted initially, it's a crappy deal.

Hey, if I had no need for high speed Internet service, then at least it
wouldn't matter if the service sucked.

--
Bob Nichols AT comcast.net I am "rnichols42"