I have 3 XP pro machines in a workgroup. All PCs are attached to a D-link
broadband router (DI-808HV).I can ping each machine form one antoher. Problem
is when I go to Network Places and view the workgroup computers nothing shows
up not even an error. Funny thing is that if I go and disable ad renable the
LAN connection on each PC (must be all the PCs) the PCs show up but only for
45 mins.

Little Background:
-Firewall is wide open on router
-Firewall on each PC allow file and print sharing and file and print sharing
is enabled on each PC
-the guest account is enabled on each PC
-NetBIOS setting is set to Default (use netbios from DHCP)

On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:24:02 -0700, Chris Brobst <Chris
Brobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I have 3 XP pro machines in a workgroup. All PCs are attached to a D-link
>broadband router (DI-808HV).I can ping each machine form one antoher. Problem
>is when I go to Network Places and view the workgroup computers nothing shows
>up not even an error. Funny thing is that if I go and disable ad renable the
>LAN connection on each PC (must be all the PCs) the PCs show up but only for
>45 mins.
>
>Little Background:
>-Firewall is wide open on router
>-Firewall on each PC allow file and print sharing and file and print sharing
>is enabled on each PC
>-the guest account is enabled on each PC
>-NetBIOS setting is set to Default (use netbios from DHCP)

Chris,

You have a browser conflict here, and I'm not talking about Internet Explorer.
Please read this article for information.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html

Please provide "browstat status" and "ipconfig /all" from each computer, as a
start. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions
precisely:
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...#AskingForHelp

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

--------------PC 1 ------------------------------------------
Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : E589BD7506A54D4
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
Connection
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-81-0B
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.104
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
11:52:21 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
11:53:21 AM

Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
of browser master: 5
\\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
\\D60B7B834B9E4A0
There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}

-----------PC
2---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : D60B7B834B9E4A0
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
Connection
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-95
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.158
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
12:50:08 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
12:51:08 PM

Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
Master browser is running build 2600
1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
\\D60B7B834B9E4A0
There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}

---------PC
3-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : 9BF7E67DF7844EE
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
Connection
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-ED
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.192
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
12:50:23 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
12:51:23 PM


Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
of browser master: 5
\\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
\\D60B7B834B9E4A0
There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}

On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:29:03 -0700, Chris Brobst
<ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>--------------PC 1 ------------------------------------------
>Windows IP Configuration
> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : E589BD7506A54D4
> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>
>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
>Connection
> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-81-0B
> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.104
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>11:52:21 AM
> Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>11:53:21 AM
>
>Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
> Browsing is active on domain.
> Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
>Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
>of browser master: 5
> \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
> 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
> \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
> There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
> There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
>
>-----------PC
>2---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Windows IP Configuration
> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : D60B7B834B9E4A0
> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>
>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
>Connection
> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-95
> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.158
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>12:50:08 PM
> Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>12:51:08 PM
>
>Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
> Browsing is active on domain.
> Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
> Master browser is running build 2600
> 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
> \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
> There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
> There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
>
>---------PC
>3-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Windows IP Configuration
> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : 9BF7E67DF7844EE
> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>
>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
>Connection
> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-ED
> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.192
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>12:50:23 PM
> Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>12:51:23 PM
>
>
>Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
> Browsing is active on domain.
> Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
>Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
>of browser master: 5
> \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
> 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
> \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
> There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
> There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}

Chris,

OK, that's a start. You have 3 computers, and each has elected the same master
browser - D60B7B834B9E4A0. Yet each shows:
There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP

And you have on each of the 2 that are not D60B7B834B9E4A0:
Could not open key in registry, error = 5

You need to start with looking for misconfigured / overlooked firewalls, and at
registry setting restrictanonymous, on each computer.
Misconfigured / overlooked firewalls:
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
Registry setting restrictanonymous:
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/restrictanonymous-and-your-server.html>

If no help yet, read my articles:
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ss-denied.html
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html

Please let us know if any of these suggestions are of any help. What you learn
may help others in the future, and that's the purpose of these forums.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

Now I have check the firewall setting on each computer and they look good. I
even disabled the firewall on each client. Still no luck. I looked at the
router's firewall settings and its wide open. I also check the registry
settings for the guest account and everything is set correctly. We have the
guest acct active and checked that. Also check the security policy to logon
locally and anonymously. I also checked the registry settings as indicated in
your KB.

Question - can imaging machines cause issues with the browser? As 2 of the 3
machines here are exact images -minus computer name?
Question - does the NetBIOS name have to be less the 8 characters?
Question - will using the (default option) NetBIOS over TCPIP play a role in
this issue?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have to create an image of a
machine that if network ready with the capabilities of browsing the network
at anytime in a workgroup.

Thanks.
Chris



"Chuck" wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:29:03 -0700, Chris Brobst
> <ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >--------------PC 1 ------------------------------------------
> >Windows IP Configuration
> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : E589BD7506A54D4
> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >
> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
> >Connection
> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-81-0B
> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.104
> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >11:52:21 AM
> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >11:53:21 AM
> >
> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
> > Browsing is active on domain.
> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
> >of browser master: 5
> > \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
> >
> >-----------PC
> >2---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Windows IP Configuration
> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : D60B7B834B9E4A0
> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >
> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
> >Connection
> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-95
> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.158
> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >12:50:08 PM
> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >12:51:08 PM
> >
> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
> > Browsing is active on domain.
> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
> > Master browser is running build 2600
> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
> >
> >---------PC
> >3-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Windows IP Configuration
> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : 9BF7E67DF7844EE
> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >
> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
> >Connection
> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-ED
> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.192
> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >12:50:23 PM
> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >12:51:23 PM
> >
> >
> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
> > Browsing is active on domain.
> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
> >of browser master: 5
> > \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
>
> Chris,
>
> OK, that's a start. You have 3 computers, and each has elected the same master
> browser - D60B7B834B9E4A0. Yet each shows:
> There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP
>
> And you have on each of the 2 that are not D60B7B834B9E4A0:
> Could not open key in registry, error = 5
>
> You need to start with looking for misconfigured / overlooked firewalls, and at
> registry setting restrictanonymous, on each computer.
> Misconfigured / overlooked firewalls:
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
> Registry setting restrictanonymous:
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/restrictanonymous-and-your-server.html>
>
> If no help yet, read my articles:
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ss-denied.html
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html
>
> Please let us know if any of these suggestions are of any help. What you learn
> may help others in the future, and that's the purpose of these forums.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.
>

On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:56:03 -0700, Chris Brobst
<ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>"Chuck" wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:29:03 -0700, Chris Brobst
>> <ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >--------------PC 1 ------------------------------------------
>> >Windows IP Configuration
>> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : E589BD7506A54D4
>> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
>> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
>> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >
>> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
>> >Connection
>> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-81-0B
>> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.104
>> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >11:52:21 AM
>> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >11:53:21 AM
>> >
>> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
>> > Browsing is active on domain.
>> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
>> >of browser master: 5
>> > \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
>> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
>> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
>> >
>> >-----------PC
>> >2---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >Windows IP Configuration
>> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
>> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
>> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >
>> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
>> >Connection
>> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-95
>> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.158
>> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >12:50:08 PM
>> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >12:51:08 PM
>> >
>> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
>> > Browsing is active on domain.
>> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> > Master browser is running build 2600
>> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
>> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
>> >
>> >---------PC
>> >3-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >Windows IP Configuration
>> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : 9BF7E67DF7844EE
>> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
>> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
>> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >
>> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
>> >Connection
>> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-ED
>> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.192
>> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >12:50:23 PM
>> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >12:51:23 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
>> > Browsing is active on domain.
>> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
>> >of browser master: 5
>> > \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
>> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
>> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> OK, that's a start. You have 3 computers, and each has elected the same master
>> browser - D60B7B834B9E4A0. Yet each shows:
>> There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP
>>
>> And you have on each of the 2 that are not D60B7B834B9E4A0:
>> Could not open key in registry, error = 5
>>
>> You need to start with looking for misconfigured / overlooked firewalls, and at
>> registry setting restrictanonymous, on each computer.
>> Misconfigured / overlooked firewalls:
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
>> Registry setting restrictanonymous:
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/restrictanonymous-and-your-server.html>
>>
>> If no help yet, read my articles:
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ss-denied.html
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html
>>
>> Please let us know if any of these suggestions are of any help. What you learn
>> may help others in the future, and that's the purpose of these forums.

>Now I have check the firewall setting on each computer and they look good. I
>even disabled the firewall on each client. Still no luck. I looked at the
>router's firewall settings and its wide open. I also check the registry
>settings for the guest account and everything is set correctly. We have the
>guest acct active and checked that. Also check the security policy to logon
>locally and anonymously. I also checked the registry settings as indicated in
>your KB.
>
>Question - can imaging machines cause issues with the browser? As 2 of the 3
>machines here are exact images -minus computer name?
>Question - does the NetBIOS name have to be less the 8 characters?
>Question - will using the (default option) NetBIOS over TCPIP play a role in
>this issue?
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have to create an image of a
>machine that if network ready with the capabilities of browsing the network
>at anytime in a workgroup.
>
>Thanks.
>Chris

Chris,

The browser is a dynamic, peer-peer resource cataloging system. As long as
you're not imaging a computer that some server (Windows computer running the
server service) sees as its browser, the browser process won't be affected.

You should find details about these issues:
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html

There is no 8-character limit on NetBIOS names. There are some name length
limits, but none that involve 8 characters, that I am aware of.
<http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/en/advanced/help/default.asp?url=/windows2000/en/advanced/help/print_choosing_a_printer_name.htm>
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000...inter_name.htm
<http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312>
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Sharing>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...d.html#Sharing

The Default NBT setting could be a problem. If your DHCP server is a NAT
router, it won't provide the setting to turn NetBIOS on. That setting is for
LANs that have real DHCP servers, not NAT routers running DHCP.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Components>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...tml#Components

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

Thanks.
No server will be running and Yes the router, I believe uses NAT.
All machines are XP Pro.

With that should we be use the Peer to Peer service or the Simple TCP/IP?
Both are currently turned off on the computers.

"Chuck" wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:56:03 -0700, Chris Brobst
> <ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >"Chuck" wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:29:03 -0700, Chris Brobst
> >> <ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >--------------PC 1 ------------------------------------------
> >> >Windows IP Configuration
> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : E589BD7506A54D4
> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> >
> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
> >> >Connection
> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-81-0B
> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.104
> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >11:52:21 AM
> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >11:53:21 AM
> >> >
> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
> >> >of browser master: 5
> >> > \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
> >> >
> >> >-----------PC
> >> >2---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >Windows IP Configuration
> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> >
> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
> >> >Connection
> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-95
> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.158
> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >12:50:08 PM
> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >12:51:08 PM
> >> >
> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> > Master browser is running build 2600
> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
> >> >
> >> >---------PC
> >> >3-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >Windows IP Configuration
> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : 9BF7E67DF7844EE
> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> >
> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
> >> >Connection
> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-ED
> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.192
> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >12:50:23 PM
> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >12:51:23 PM
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
> >> >of browser master: 5
> >> > \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
> >>
> >> Chris,
> >>
> >> OK, that's a start. You have 3 computers, and each has elected the same master
> >> browser - D60B7B834B9E4A0. Yet each shows:
> >> There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP
> >>
> >> And you have on each of the 2 that are not D60B7B834B9E4A0:
> >> Could not open key in registry, error = 5
> >>
> >> You need to start with looking for misconfigured / overlooked firewalls, and at
> >> registry setting restrictanonymous, on each computer.
> >> Misconfigured / overlooked firewalls:
> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
> >> Registry setting restrictanonymous:
> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/restrictanonymous-and-your-server.html>
> >>
> >> If no help yet, read my articles:
> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html>
> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ss-denied.html
> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html
> >>
> >> Please let us know if any of these suggestions are of any help. What you learn
> >> may help others in the future, and that's the purpose of these forums.
>
> >Now I have check the firewall setting on each computer and they look good. I
> >even disabled the firewall on each client. Still no luck. I looked at the
> >router's firewall settings and its wide open. I also check the registry
> >settings for the guest account and everything is set correctly. We have the
> >guest acct active and checked that. Also check the security policy to logon
> >locally and anonymously. I also checked the registry settings as indicated in
> >your KB.
> >
> >Question - can imaging machines cause issues with the browser? As 2 of the 3
> >machines here are exact images -minus computer name?
> >Question - does the NetBIOS name have to be less the 8 characters?
> >Question - will using the (default option) NetBIOS over TCPIP play a role in
> >this issue?
> >
> >Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have to create an image of a
> >machine that if network ready with the capabilities of browsing the network
> >at anytime in a workgroup.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >Chris
>
> Chris,
>
> The browser is a dynamic, peer-peer resource cataloging system. As long as
> you're not imaging a computer that some server (Windows computer running the
> server service) sees as its browser, the browser process won't be affected.
>
> You should find details about these issues:
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html
>
> There is no 8-character limit on NetBIOS names. There are some name length
> limits, but none that involve 8 characters, that I am aware of.
> <http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/en/advanced/help/default.asp?url=/windows2000/en/advanced/help/print_choosing_a_printer_name.htm>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000...inter_name.htm
> <http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312>
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Sharing>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...d.html#Sharing
>
> The Default NBT setting could be a problem. If your DHCP server is a NAT
> router, it won't provide the setting to turn NetBIOS on. That setting is for
> LANs that have real DHCP servers, not NAT routers running DHCP.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Components>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...tml#Components
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.
>

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 05:45:02 -0700, Chris Brobst
<ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>"Chuck" wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:56:03 -0700, Chris Brobst
>> <ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"Chuck" wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:29:03 -0700, Chris Brobst
>> >> <ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >--------------PC 1 ------------------------------------------
>> >> >Windows IP Configuration
>> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : E589BD7506A54D4
>> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
>> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
>> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >
>> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
>> >> >Connection
>> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-81-0B
>> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.104
>> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >11:52:21 AM
>> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >11:53:21 AM
>> >> >
>> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
>> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
>> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
>> >> >of browser master: 5
>> >> > \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
>> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
>> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
>> >> >
>> >> >-----------PC
>> >> >2---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >Windows IP Configuration
>> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
>> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
>> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >
>> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
>> >> >Connection
>> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-95
>> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.158
>> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >12:50:08 PM
>> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >12:51:08 PM
>> >> >
>> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
>> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
>> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> > Master browser is running build 2600
>> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
>> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
>> >> >
>> >> >---------PC
>> >> >3-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> >Windows IP Configuration
>> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : 9BF7E67DF7844EE
>> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
>> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
>> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >
>> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
>> >> >Connection
>> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-ED
>> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.192
>> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >12:50:23 PM
>> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >12:51:23 PM
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
>> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
>> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
>> >> >of browser master: 5
>> >> > \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
>> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
>> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
>> >>
>> >> Chris,
>> >>
>> >> OK, that's a start. You have 3 computers, and each has elected the same master
>> >> browser - D60B7B834B9E4A0. Yet each shows:
>> >> There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP
>> >>
>> >> And you have on each of the 2 that are not D60B7B834B9E4A0:
>> >> Could not open key in registry, error = 5
>> >>
>> >> You need to start with looking for misconfigured / overlooked firewalls, and at
>> >> registry setting restrictanonymous, on each computer.
>> >> Misconfigured / overlooked firewalls:
>> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
>> >> Registry setting restrictanonymous:
>> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/restrictanonymous-and-your-server.html>
>> >>
>> >> If no help yet, read my articles:
>> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html>
>> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ss-denied.html
>> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
>> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html
>> >>
>> >> Please let us know if any of these suggestions are of any help. What you learn
>> >> may help others in the future, and that's the purpose of these forums.
>>
>> >Now I have check the firewall setting on each computer and they look good. I
>> >even disabled the firewall on each client. Still no luck. I looked at the
>> >router's firewall settings and its wide open. I also check the registry
>> >settings for the guest account and everything is set correctly. We have the
>> >guest acct active and checked that. Also check the security policy to logon
>> >locally and anonymously. I also checked the registry settings as indicated in
>> >your KB.
>> >
>> >Question - can imaging machines cause issues with the browser? As 2 of the 3
>> >machines here are exact images -minus computer name?
>> >Question - does the NetBIOS name have to be less the 8 characters?
>> >Question - will using the (default option) NetBIOS over TCPIP play a role in
>> >this issue?
>> >
>> >Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have to create an image of a
>> >machine that if network ready with the capabilities of browsing the network
>> >at anytime in a workgroup.
>> >
>> >Thanks.
>> >Chris
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> The browser is a dynamic, peer-peer resource cataloging system. As long as
>> you're not imaging a computer that some server (Windows computer running the
>> server service) sees as its browser, the browser process won't be affected.
>>
>> You should find details about these issues:
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html
>>
>> There is no 8-character limit on NetBIOS names. There are some name length
>> limits, but none that involve 8 characters, that I am aware of.
>> <http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/en/advanced/help/default.asp?url=/windows2000/en/advanced/help/print_choosing_a_printer_name.htm>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000...inter_name.htm
>> <http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Sharing>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...d.html#Sharing
>>
>> The Default NBT setting could be a problem. If your DHCP server is a NAT
>> router, it won't provide the setting to turn NetBIOS on. That setting is for
>> LANs that have real DHCP servers, not NAT routers running DHCP.
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Components>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...tml#Components

>Thanks.
>No server will be running and Yes the router, I believe uses NAT.
>All machines are XP Pro.
>
>With that should we be use the Peer to Peer service or the Simple TCP/IP?
>Both are currently turned off on the computers.

Chris,

The essential components and services are listed in my article:
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Components>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...tml#Components

If you want to know more about services, here is the definitive reference:
<http://web.archive.org/web/20041130032640/http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm>
http://web.archive.org/web/200411300...servicecfg.htm

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

Still having problems:
- I am not sure exactly what you are saying about imaging a server that
service was running on. Do you mean that I may have imaged a machine and
while it already had a master browser to point to?

Ther are 2 types of images running in this test workgroup.
2 as an image of on antother with differnt PC names and 2 of a different
image with different PC names.
All the PCs have teh following services running.
-Computer browser
-server
-TCP/IP/net bios helper


Any help that i can get for this would greatly be appricated as it is
holding up my project from deployment.



"Chuck" wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 05:45:02 -0700, Chris Brobst
> <ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >"Chuck" wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:56:03 -0700, Chris Brobst
> >> <ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Chuck" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:29:03 -0700, Chris Brobst
> >> >> <ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >--------------PC 1 ------------------------------------------
> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration
> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : E589BD7506A54D4
> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
> >> >> >Connection
> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-81-0B
> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.104
> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >> >11:52:21 AM
> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >> >11:53:21 AM
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
> >> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
> >> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> >Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
> >> >> >of browser master: 5
> >> >> > \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
> >> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
> >> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
> >> >> >
> >> >> >-----------PC
> >> >> >2---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration
> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
> >> >> >Connection
> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-95
> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.158
> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >> >12:50:08 PM
> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >> >12:51:08 PM
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
> >> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
> >> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> > Master browser is running build 2600
> >> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
> >> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
> >> >> >
> >> >> >---------PC
> >> >> >3-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration
> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : 9BF7E67DF7844EE
> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
> >> >> >Connection
> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-ED
> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.192
> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >> >12:50:23 PM
> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >> >12:51:23 PM
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
> >> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
> >> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> >Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
> >> >> >of browser master: 5
> >> >> > \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
> >> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
> >> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
> >> >>
> >> >> Chris,
> >> >>
> >> >> OK, that's a start. You have 3 computers, and each has elected the same master
> >> >> browser - D60B7B834B9E4A0. Yet each shows:
> >> >> There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP
> >> >>
> >> >> And you have on each of the 2 that are not D60B7B834B9E4A0:
> >> >> Could not open key in registry, error = 5
> >> >>
> >> >> You need to start with looking for misconfigured / overlooked firewalls, and at
> >> >> registry setting restrictanonymous, on each computer.
> >> >> Misconfigured / overlooked firewalls:
> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
> >> >> Registry setting restrictanonymous:
> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/restrictanonymous-and-your-server.html>
> >> >>
> >> >> If no help yet, read my articles:
> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html>
> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ss-denied.html
> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html
> >> >>
> >> >> Please let us know if any of these suggestions are of any help. What you learn
> >> >> may help others in the future, and that's the purpose of these forums.
> >>
> >> >Now I have check the firewall setting on each computer and they look good. I
> >> >even disabled the firewall on each client. Still no luck. I looked at the
> >> >router's firewall settings and its wide open. I also check the registry
> >> >settings for the guest account and everything is set correctly. We have the
> >> >guest acct active and checked that. Also check the security policy to logon
> >> >locally and anonymously. I also checked the registry settings as indicated in
> >> >your KB.
> >> >
> >> >Question - can imaging machines cause issues with the browser? As 2 of the 3
> >> >machines here are exact images -minus computer name?
> >> >Question - does the NetBIOS name have to be less the 8 characters?
> >> >Question - will using the (default option) NetBIOS over TCPIP play a role in
> >> >this issue?
> >> >
> >> >Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have to create an image of a
> >> >machine that if network ready with the capabilities of browsing the network
> >> >at anytime in a workgroup.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks.
> >> >Chris
> >>
> >> Chris,
> >>
> >> The browser is a dynamic, peer-peer resource cataloging system. As long as
> >> you're not imaging a computer that some server (Windows computer running the
> >> server service) sees as its browser, the browser process won't be affected.
> >>
> >> You should find details about these issues:
> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html
> >>
> >> There is no 8-character limit on NetBIOS names. There are some name length
> >> limits, but none that involve 8 characters, that I am aware of.
> >> <http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/en/advanced/help/default.asp?url=/windows2000/en/advanced/help/print_choosing_a_printer_name.htm>
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000...inter_name.htm
> >> <http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312>
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312
> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Sharing>
> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...d.html#Sharing
> >>
> >> The Default NBT setting could be a problem. If your DHCP server is a NAT
> >> router, it won't provide the setting to turn NetBIOS on. That setting is for
> >> LANs that have real DHCP servers, not NAT routers running DHCP.
> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Components>
> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...tml#Components
>
> >Thanks.
> >No server will be running and Yes the router, I believe uses NAT.
> >All machines are XP Pro.
> >
> >With that should we be use the Peer to Peer service or the Simple TCP/IP?
> >Both are currently turned off on the computers.
>
> Chris,
>
> The essential components and services are listed in my article:
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Components>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...tml#Components
>
> If you want to know more about services, here is the definitive reference:
> <http://web.archive.org/web/20041130032640/http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm>
> http://web.archive.org/web/200411300...servicecfg.htm
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.
>

Tested to see if computer browser was the issue so i disabled the browser
service on all but one computer and after 45 mins again the computers in the
workgroup disappear.

So any which way that i slice it I can't get the computers to stay after 45
mins with out restarting all the machines or disable/renable the LAN
connection on each PC in the workgroup.

"Chuck" wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 05:45:02 -0700, Chris Brobst
> <ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >"Chuck" wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:56:03 -0700, Chris Brobst
> >> <ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Chuck" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:29:03 -0700, Chris Brobst
> >> >> <ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >--------------PC 1 ------------------------------------------
> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration
> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : E589BD7506A54D4
> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
> >> >> >Connection
> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-81-0B
> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.104
> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >> >11:52:21 AM
> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >> >11:53:21 AM
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
> >> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
> >> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> >Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
> >> >> >of browser master: 5
> >> >> > \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
> >> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
> >> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
> >> >> >
> >> >> >-----------PC
> >> >> >2---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration
> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
> >> >> >Connection
> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-95
> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.158
> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >> >12:50:08 PM
> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >> >12:51:08 PM
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
> >> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
> >> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> > Master browser is running build 2600
> >> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
> >> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
> >> >> >
> >> >> >---------PC
> >> >> >3-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration
> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : 9BF7E67DF7844EE
> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
> >> >> >Connection
> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-ED
> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.192
> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >> >12:50:23 PM
> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
> >> >> >12:51:23 PM
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
> >> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
> >> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> >Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
> >> >> >of browser master: 5
> >> >> > \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
> >> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
> >> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
> >> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
> >> >>
> >> >> Chris,
> >> >>
> >> >> OK, that's a start. You have 3 computers, and each has elected the same master
> >> >> browser - D60B7B834B9E4A0. Yet each shows:
> >> >> There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP
> >> >>
> >> >> And you have on each of the 2 that are not D60B7B834B9E4A0:
> >> >> Could not open key in registry, error = 5
> >> >>
> >> >> You need to start with looking for misconfigured / overlooked firewalls, and at
> >> >> registry setting restrictanonymous, on each computer.
> >> >> Misconfigured / overlooked firewalls:
> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
> >> >> Registry setting restrictanonymous:
> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/restrictanonymous-and-your-server.html>
> >> >>
> >> >> If no help yet, read my articles:
> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html>
> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ss-denied.html
> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html
> >> >>
> >> >> Please let us know if any of these suggestions are of any help. What you learn
> >> >> may help others in the future, and that's the purpose of these forums.
> >>
> >> >Now I have check the firewall setting on each computer and they look good. I
> >> >even disabled the firewall on each client. Still no luck. I looked at the
> >> >router's firewall settings and its wide open. I also check the registry
> >> >settings for the guest account and everything is set correctly. We have the
> >> >guest acct active and checked that. Also check the security policy to logon
> >> >locally and anonymously. I also checked the registry settings as indicated in
> >> >your KB.
> >> >
> >> >Question - can imaging machines cause issues with the browser? As 2 of the 3
> >> >machines here are exact images -minus computer name?
> >> >Question - does the NetBIOS name have to be less the 8 characters?
> >> >Question - will using the (default option) NetBIOS over TCPIP play a role in
> >> >this issue?
> >> >
> >> >Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have to create an image of a
> >> >machine that if network ready with the capabilities of browsing the network
> >> >at anytime in a workgroup.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks.
> >> >Chris
> >>
> >> Chris,
> >>
> >> The browser is a dynamic, peer-peer resource cataloging system. As long as
> >> you're not imaging a computer that some server (Windows computer running the
> >> server service) sees as its browser, the browser process won't be affected.
> >>
> >> You should find details about these issues:
> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html
> >>
> >> There is no 8-character limit on NetBIOS names. There are some name length
> >> limits, but none that involve 8 characters, that I am aware of.
> >> <http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/en/advanced/help/default.asp?url=/windows2000/en/advanced/help/print_choosing_a_printer_name.htm>
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000...inter_name.htm
> >> <http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312>
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312
> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Sharing>
> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...d.html#Sharing
> >>
> >> The Default NBT setting could be a problem. If your DHCP server is a NAT
> >> router, it won't provide the setting to turn NetBIOS on. That setting is for
> >> LANs that have real DHCP servers, not NAT routers running DHCP.
> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Components>
> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...tml#Components
>
> >Thanks.
> >No server will be running and Yes the router, I believe uses NAT.
> >All machines are XP Pro.
> >
> >With that should we be use the Peer to Peer service or the Simple TCP/IP?
> >Both are currently turned off on the computers.
>
> Chris,
>
> The essential components and services are listed in my article:
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Components>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...tml#Components
>
> If you want to know more about services, here is the definitive reference:
> <http://web.archive.org/web/20041130032640/http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm>
> http://web.archive.org/web/200411300...servicecfg.htm
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.
>

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:04:29 -0700, Chris Brobst
<ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>"Chuck" wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 05:45:02 -0700, Chris Brobst
>> <ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"Chuck" wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:56:03 -0700, Chris Brobst
>> >> <ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"Chuck" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:29:03 -0700, Chris Brobst
>> >> >> <ChrisBrobst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >--------------PC 1 ------------------------------------------
>> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration
>> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : E589BD7506A54D4
>> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
>> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
>> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
>> >> >> >Connection
>> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-81-0B
>> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.104
>> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >> >11:52:21 AM
>> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >> >11:53:21 AM
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
>> >> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
>> >> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> >Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
>> >> >> >of browser master: 5
>> >> >> > \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
>> >> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
>> >> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >-----------PC
>> >> >> >2---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration
>> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
>> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
>> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
>> >> >> >Connection
>> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-95
>> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.158
>> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >> >12:50:08 PM
>> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >> >12:51:08 PM
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
>> >> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
>> >> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> > Master browser is running build 2600
>> >> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
>> >> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >---------PC
>> >> >> >3-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration
>> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : 9BF7E67DF7844EE
>> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
>> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
>> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
>> >> >> >Connection
>> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-ED
>> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.192
>> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >> >12:50:23 PM
>> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >> >12:51:23 PM
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
>> >> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
>> >> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> >Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
>> >> >> >of browser master: 5
>> >> >> > \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
>> >> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
>> >> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chris,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> OK, that's a start. You have 3 computers, and each has elected the same master
>> >> >> browser - D60B7B834B9E4A0. Yet each shows:
>> >> >> There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And you have on each of the 2 that are not D60B7B834B9E4A0:
>> >> >> Could not open key in registry, error = 5
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You need to start with looking for misconfigured / overlooked firewalls, and at
>> >> >> registry setting restrictanonymous, on each computer.
>> >> >> Misconfigured / overlooked firewalls:
>> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
>> >> >> Registry setting restrictanonymous:
>> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/restrictanonymous-and-your-server.html>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If no help yet, read my articles:
>> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html>
>> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ss-denied.html
>> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
>> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please let us know if any of these suggestions are of any help. What you learn
>> >> >> may help others in the future, and that's the purpose of these forums.
>> >>
>> >> >Now I have check the firewall setting on each computer and they look good. I
>> >> >even disabled the firewall on each client. Still no luck. I looked at the
>> >> >router's firewall settings and its wide open. I also check the registry
>> >> >settings for the guest account and everything is set correctly. We have the
>> >> >guest acct active and checked that. Also check the security policy to logon
>> >> >locally and anonymously. I also checked the registry settings as indicated in
>> >> >your KB.
>> >> >
>> >> >Question - can imaging machines cause issues with the browser? As 2 of the 3
>> >> >machines here are exact images -minus computer name?
>> >> >Question - does the NetBIOS name have to be less the 8 characters?
>> >> >Question - will using the (default option) NetBIOS over TCPIP play a role in
>> >> >this issue?
>> >> >
>> >> >Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have to create an image of a
>> >> >machine that if network ready with the ca