Well Erik?

"os2@www.com" <os2@www.com> writes:

Considering NTFS only journals metadata, it could be hiding
anywhere. :/

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, os2@www.com
<os2@www.com>
wrote
on Thu, 26 Feb 2004 05:48:20 +0000
<Ni4%b.1982$SZ.64630@news.xtra.co.nz>:
Unfortunately I for one can't help much. I have a copy of 2.4.25 but
the only mention of journaling is that it doesn't do it
(this at about line 212 of fs/ntfs/dir.c).

I'd have to download usermode-sources (which contains 2.6.3) to investigate
this further. I want to anyway; Usermode Linux sounds interesting,
and the mods thereto shouldn't involve the ntfs directory.

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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Billy O'Connor
<billyoc@gnuyork.org>
wrote
on Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:01:18 GMT
<87znb7jdy4.fsf@dps11.gnuyork.org>:
I've heard noises of a config option somewhere to
allow full data journaling. However, for some oddball
reason it's off by default, apparently, enabling NTFS to
journal metadata only. (Something tells me the issue is
performance related. :-) )

Erik?

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begin <5movg1-p9g.ln1@lexi2.athghost7038suus.net>,
The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> writes:
You're pissing into the wind if you expect a reply from Erik. He
clearly hasn't a clue where the NTFS journal is kept far less how it
is implemented.

In article <5movg1-p9g.ln1@lexi2.athghost7038suus.net>, The Ghost In The
Machine wrote:
It's probably off by default (if it exists) for the same reason it is off by
default in ext3, and every other journaling filesystem. Metadata is all
that any sane person wants to journal.

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Roy Culley wrote:
We are waaaaaaiting Erik..............


Mark

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rgc@swissonline.ch (Roy Culley) wrote:

Why is Erik not responding?

Roy Culley wrote:

Finding out where the NTFS journal is would be a trivial task. Not only
I am expecting an answer but I am waiting for a lengthy essay why NTFS
does it so much better than any other file system. Don't let me down,
Erik.

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Roy Culley wrote:

I like how Erik avoids topics directed to him for a simple answer while he
goes off and tries to shoot down other topics that never wanted his
attention to begin with (see: Microsoft Attempting to Patent Prior Art -
Virtual Desktops).

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WarpKat wrote:

| I like how Erik avoids topics directed to him for a simple answer while he
| goes off and tries to shoot down other topics that never wanted his
| attention to begin with (see: Microsoft Attempting to Patent Prior Art -
| Virtual Desktops).
|
I like how Erik repeatedly manages to place his foot squarely in his
mouth, in his blind support of Microsoft

(see Microsoft Attempting to Patent Prior Art - Virtual Desktops)


He seems compelled to take their side in *any* debate, and acts a bit
petulant at times.

Hmm, defends MS blindly, constantly spreads FUD, and then says he is
here to respond to all the 'lies' about MS....

Erik is to COLA what SCO is to OSS/Linux community.

A nuisance, makes tremendous amounts of noise, fails to backup many of
his claims, when confronted on a single point, will simply run away and
attempt to divert attention elsewhere, hoping a person looking into
'LINUX' runs into his FUD, before FACT.

And as Mr. Moglen said:

"Increasingly I listen to [Erik Funkenbush, Milo, wjbell] Mr. McBride
and I hear Mr. Ballmer, as perhaps you do as well. That is to say, I
treat SCO now as press agentry for the Microsoft monopoly, which has
deeper pockets and a longer-term concern with what we are doing."

the names in [] are obviously my addition, but the point is made.

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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:57:03 GMT, Philip Callan wrote:

I do not always take MS's side of things. Just recently I agreed with an
article that contradicted MS, for instance.

My entire argument in the virtual desktop thread was pointing out several
incorrect facts:

1) MS was not patenting virtual desktops, as the original author claimed.
2) MS's pager (which is what the patent covered) was not the same as the
default pagers in Gnome and KDE.

It turned out that there were some pagers that were similar in
functionality I was unaware of, but it was so uncommonly known that only a
few people even knew it existed. I admitted I was wrong, but of course, as
usual, nobody seems to be man enough to accept that.

What a childish git you are.

On 2004-02-26 09:12:20 -0700, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> said:


He's got a mouthfull of crow perhaps?

Erik Funkenbusch wrote:

yea so as to appear unbiased ... :-D

Take a good look in the mirror if you want to see a *real* git.

Philip Callan: he's just trying to get you to lose your temper. So as he
can get off this losing subject.

Erik Funkenbusch wrote:

Some pagers similar in functionality? Uncommonly known? Few people knew it
existed?

Ok. I'm going out on a limb here to say that you've not been around
computers for a lengthy period of time or dove in hard enough to figure out
what was available and what wasn't, right? I mean, it doesn't take much
research or time to find out what features are available elsewhere that are
absent on your own desktop, Erik.

I'm man enough to accept that you are wrong the majority of the time, which
is why I called on you to simply shut up when you had the chance; remember
that post? You should've listened.

But this question remains unanswered (by you) while you go off and try to
refute anything against MS which never directly called for your attention
to begin with.

The question stands: where does NTFS store its journal?

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Daeron wrote:
| Philip Callan: he's just trying to get you to lose your temper. So as he
| can get off this losing subject.

Oh heh, trust me I know Troll tactics, been on usenet quite a while

You'll notice he *really* butchers my posts sometimes, because (IMO) I
tend to make a more rational argument than some do, gives him less to
try and twist.
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Tim Smith
<reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com>
wrote
on Thu, 26 Feb 2004 04:09:45 GMT
<dke%b.8452$yZ1.5817@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink. net>:
Any sane person wanting to keep his data may find with metadata
journaling that the file structure is perfectly fine but
the actual data is crap.

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Philip Callan <callanca@shaw.ca> writes:



roflmao

Daeron <daeron@demon.net> wrote:

Hehe. That is a good one...