I'm a new _ Moz FireBird .7+ _ user .
( I'm only in Seattle.General )

I have the following icon on my Win98 IE6 toolbar :
FTP://jeff-relf:????????@FTP.NCPlus.NET/www/
( ???????? is my password )

I prefer to use mouse actions rather than keystrokes ,
so I really enjoy how IE6 lets me drag and drop files
between this FTP site and my main fixed-disk folder .

Will FireBird let me do something similar ?

<!--<script><%{[(Jeff Relf)]}%></script>-->

It can do anything you want it to.

Just get the source and compile it to your liking.

That's what IE can't do.

Be changed. To what you would want it to be.

Hi j bailo , You say :
" Just get the source and compile it to your liking "

It would be a lot easier to just launch IE6
with FTP://jeff-relf:????????@FTP.NCPlus.NET/www/
as my home page .

One click , and I'm ready to drag and drop files
from the server to my local disk and back .

Jeff Relf wrote:

Yes. You can use that same URI format as you specified to log in to
your site. Drag and drop test I just did produced an Internet Shortcut
in my Windows Explorer. However, you can right-click a file in the ftp
directory and choose Save Link As to save the file to your local disk.

I much prefer to use a dedicated ftp client such as CuteFTP. It's much
more flexible and easier to deal with. and there are definite
disadvantages to using a browser for ftp. See:
http://www.w-media.com/index.cfm?GPID=50

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On 2003-11-12, Ed Mullen <ed@edmullen.net> wrote:
I wouldn't say that merits a "Yes" answer - the URI format is the same,
but in (existing versions of) Firebird you can't drag and drop and you
can't upload.

Not that I'd advocate using IE for FTP, but the disadvantages listed there
include not being able to delete or rename, which I don't think is the
case with IE.

[f'ups set away from c.o.l.a]

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Jeff Relf wrote:
.....using an insecure protocol on the internet. You're just asking to
have your site hacked by sending a user name and password in the clear.

Have your hosting service set up ssh (scp or sftp), or a https: upload
service. At the very least, don't put a password in a URL. There's
spyware out there that will log these and it doesn't take rocket science
to pick the ftp://userassword@host/ pattern out of the database.

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Hi Paul Hovnanian P.E. , You say :
" don't put a password in a URL "

Who'd hack my web site ? I shows up dead last in Google .

And the only reason is show up at all is
because I added a link to it on someone else's website .

Hi Ed Mullen , You say :
" you can right-click a file in the ftp directory
and choose Save Link As to save the file to your local disk "

Very cool ! I didn't try that because
I thought it would just create a shortcut .

What about uploading , from the local disk to the server ?

And it came to pass that Jeff Relf wrote:

I don't know, ask one of the hundreds of thousands of people
who've been hacked in the last year. It's not about who you
are, but about how vulnerable you are. Why would anyone step on
a bug? BEcause they are so easy to crush.



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Christopher Jahn wrote:
And it's not because they'd want to deface your content, but rather to
backdoor you into being a DDoS zombie...

Jeff Relf wrote:

Not as far as I've been able to figure out.

Just my opinon, but I don't like using a browser to do these sorts of
things. Security is one issue, but the main one is that a browser is
simply not designed to do such things well. The interface (even IE
tightly interwoven with the OS and Windows Explorer) is designed and
optimized to view web pages, not perform file management.

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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:06:24 -0500, Ed Mullen <ed@edmullen.net> wrote:

I do not see what the problem is - the developers of Mozilla are not
being challenged to recognize the "ftp://" protocol and open ports to
accomodate the file transfer.

But if Mozilla is not the FTP client of choice, use Yahoo Instant
Messenger. It is not secure, but so what. Encrypt the file first if
there is something sensitive about it. Use PGPI.

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On 2003-11-13, Bob <spam@spam.com> wrote:

wget is the method of choice for http and ftp downloads.

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Hi Ed Mullen , You say :
" a browser is simply not designed to do such things well "

I'm using IE6 to do FTP uploads and downloads ...
It's as slick as a whistle .

I just click on the icon and then drag and drop .
What could be easier ?

I'm not at all worried about anyone hacking into my site .
My site is only known to a couple of Usenet people .

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:29:57 -0800, Jeff Relf <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote:

That's total bullshit. The person who made that stupid comment does
not understand what he claims to be talking about.

There is nothing mysterious about the FTP protocol. If the poster knew
what FTP is, then he would not have made that ridiculous comment.

Indeed.

Telnet. :-)

I would remind you that hackers probe for standard open ports all the
time.

Hi Bob , You say :
" I would remind you that hackers probe for
standard open ports all the time "

God ,
I'm sure there must be a punch line in there somewhere .

I'd love for them to deface my site .

I'm sure it'd be a big improvement . ( I have copies )

My Site : http://www.NCPlus.NET/~jeff-relf/

Hi user , You say :
" Other methods include your ISP rejecting port scans "

Without even asking my ISP , I'm sure that they do this .

It's a very rare day that I ever see even one piece of spam .

And I know that they place restrictions on ports
if you're using their free dial up .

begin <3FB2867B.C161E6AD@hovnanian.com>,
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Paul@Hovnanian.com> writes:
Just have an '@' character in the password and that's blocked IE users:

http://snurl.com/306w

MS SW 'features' should be used to prevent users doing stupid
things. :-)

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On 2003-11-15, Roy Culley <rgc@swissonline.ch> wrote:

Here's the feature, copped from Roy's post:

For example, if the password is yyy@xx then IE changes the url

from:

ftp://user@ftp.server.something

to:

ftp://user@xx@ftp.server.something

Another wonderful feechure brought to by the same people who
brought you Windows CF and Windows LCD.

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