http://www.opensource.org/halloween/halloween10.html

"Excuse me, did we say in Halloween IX that Microsoft's under-the-table
payoff to SCO for attacking Linux was just eleven million dollars? Turns
out we were off by an order of magnitude -- it was much, much more
than that."

--
GNU/Linux revenues last quarter: $1 Billion.
Apple revenues last quarter: $2 Billion.
micros~1 revenues last quarter: $4 Billion.
It's no longer a question of windows or GNU, it's a question of *Unix* or GNU.

Billy O'Connor wrote:
AS has been stated elsewhere, ESR can be a bit of a extremist, and until
which time a second party confirms it, you shouldnt evanglize it as truth.

Just like the halloween documents in the first place, we can expect a
flurry of denials and then [possibly] a confirmation.

I believe ESR would have taken some basic steps before publishing, such
as checking headers and IP's, veryifying that the person was in a
position to get the email in the first place, and that its not just a
plant to try and let SCO actually have a claim of 'falsehoods' being spread.

That being said, I cross my fingers, and hope it is real.

Then perhaps the paper shackles of the DoJ settlement will come off, and
some real punishment begin.

Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, Philip Callan mumbled this incantation:

What makes you think ESR didn't do the basic research?

I forwarded the link to PJ ("owner" of the GrokLaw blog).

Here's another quote from the story:

"I realize the last negotiations are not as much fun, but Microsoft will
have brough in $86 million for us including Baystar. The next deal we
should be able to get from $16-20, but it will be brutial as it is for go to
makerket work and some licences."

If this is true (and we do know that Melinda Gates is involved in BayStar),
it will make Martha Stewart's troubles look like a cakewalk.

By the way, try to send this link to the IT press sites and to the SEC
when you get a chance. This sounds like gross interference in the free market.

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No, I won't fix your Windows computer!

Philip Callan wrote:

Actually, as much as I dislike ESR, it is his "extreamism" that would seem
to make his assertions more credible. Someone stating main-stream
"conventional wisdom" need do only the minimalist (if any) research. An
extreamist who routinely states things that are against mainstream must do
a better job because they are more likely to be challenged. Once
discredited, the extreamist has difficulty being taken seriously.

Many people call ESR an extreamist, but I don't recall anyone disputing him.
To publically call someone a liar, (by default) as you did, because his
opinions are merely different than yours, is the worst kind of FUD.

Do you know that he didn't? What evidence do you have that he didn't? What
makes you think that he didn't?


This, I doubt.

On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 01:46:47PM +0000, Philip Callan wrote:
I can't verify it either, but I forwarded it to the SEC, maybe they can.

--
GNU/Linux revenues last quarter: $1 Billion.
Apple revenues last quarter: $2 Billion.
micros~1 revenues last quarter: $4 Billion.
It's no longer a question of windows or GNU, it's a question of *Unix* or GNU.

mlw wrote:


*HELLO CLUELESS* I agree with him, and I *hope* it is real. I never
implied he was *LYING* I just advised a bit of moderation, that you can
at least quote the very words ESR uses:

I cannot certify its authenticity, but I presume that IBM's, Red Hat's,
Novell's, AutoZone's, and Daimler-Chryler's lawyers can subpoena the
original.


Uhh, no I dont, none, and nothing.

Please re-read my statement where I say 'I BELIEVE ESR *WOULD*' have
taken some steps, and later 'until which time a second party confirms
it, you shouldnt evanglize it as truth'

Which is what is the sane thing to do, otherwise we trumpet each press
release as gospel, and we are no better than SCO in that regard.

Ok, doubt it, your acceptance of my beliefs is not necessary for this
debate.

Linønut wrote:
Nothing, thats why I said 'I believe ESR would have taken some basic
steps before publishing'

I believe he *did* do said research and verify, but just as the first
halloween documents show, there is going to be denials and evasion, so
to come on and post the link, *without* putting the disclaimer that even
ESR says:

I cannot certify its authenticity, but I presume that IBM's, Red Hat's,
Novell's, AutoZone's, and Daimler-Chryler's lawyers can subpoena the
original.

Point is, until I see a copy in a court record, I'm not suggesting
anyone go around posting the url, without indicating this is still early
in the game, and its not been verified by a 2nd party yet.

Billy O'Connor <billyoc@gnuyork.org> wrote in message news:<20040304114303.GI460@gnuyork.org>...
idiot

On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 07:49:36AM -0800, cola_moderator wrote:
There you have it. A hundred million funnelled from Microsoft to SCO, of
which they have $68.5 million left. Their 10Qs reveal that every other
line of cash inflow is statistical noise by comparison. The brave new
SCOsource business model is now clear: sue your customers, shill for
Microsoft, kite your stock, and pray you stay out of jail.


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GNU/Linux revenues last quarter: $1 Billion.
Apple revenues last quarter: $2 Billion.
micros~1 revenues last quarter: $4 Billion.
It's no longer a question of windows or GNU, it's a question of *Unix* or GNU.

cola masturbator wrote:

Really? You have proof they did not hand over $100 million?

--
Microsoft software doesn't get released - it escapes, leaving
a trail of destruction behind it.

Philip Callan wrote:
You are wasting your breath with mlw. For your information, his real
name is Cliff Claven from Cheers, a clueless idiot who likes to bend
reality to suit his theories, a person full of useless trivia and invented
facts.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ml...uck.you&rnum=1

"mlw is full of invented facts. He reminds us that Cliff Claven from Cheers
is alive and well and is posting on Usenet as mlw."

See Google Groups for more on mlw's, now infamous, clueless quasi-legal
interpretation of various legal matters.

Norm Peterson <norm@peterson.fatso> writes:


You quote some dork calling himself "Sphincter" as an authority on
mlw's character and modus operandi? Real men would've quoted mlw to
provide evidence.

(This is not a defense of mlw, of whom I have no particular opinion.
This is simply pointing out that you're just a dumbfuck who couldn't
prove a point if his life depended on it.)
--
Jesse Hughes
"LOL. How arrogant you are. Now when you realize that I DID prove
Goldbach's conjecture and that I proved Fermat's Last Theorem as well,
how are you going to feel then?" -- James Harris

Jesse F. Hughes wrote:
You got it:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...com%26rnum%3D1

More links to threads containing mlw's input found here:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...e%26 rnum%3D1

There's more of Cliff Claven's fine prose available on Google Groups.

Have a ball.

Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, Philip Callan mumbled this incantation:

Sound advice.

--
No, I won't fix your Windows computer!

Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, Norm Peterson mumbled this incantation:

Nahrm!

--
No, I won't fix your Windows computer!

Norm Peterson <norm@peterson.fatso> writes:


A quote from "MySQL Facts" which mentions mlw in passing and reports
one of mlw's opinions. I don't know if the opinion as reported is
accurate or not.

A post from Chuck Gadd, which is a followup to mlw but does not appear
to dispute anything mlw said.

Neither of these are good proof that mlw is an idiot, but they're a
bit more relevant than your first attempt.

(Again, I'm not defending the premise mlw is *not* an idiot. He might
be. He's in my killfile for *some* reason, I suspect.)

--
"I don't know why I live in a world with so many supposed
mathematicians who are all so dumb AND rude. Why oh why couldn't
someone like Gauss or Dedekind still be around? Shoot, I'd even take
someone like Hardy at this point." -- James S Harris compromises

Jesse F. Hughes wrote:
It says "More links to *threads*", not a post by some guy named
Chuck. You also missed:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...com%26rnum%3D1

There's more of Cliff Claven's fine prose available on Google Groups.

Have a ball.

Philip Callan wrote:
I tried to send email to Opensource.org and it was rejected. This may
apparently be a bogus website.

GreyCloud wrote:

Haha, I think your probably about the 10,000 person in line to try and
mail/call ESR today, this is quite the kick in the nuts, true or false,
and a lot of Press will be trying to get more out of him.

Opensource.org is a real site And its been around loooooong before
the current fiaSCO

On 2004-03-04, Jesse F. Hughes <jesse@phiwumbda.org> blubbered:
That link was part of the ol' KKK-KKKiddie diatribe that spurned this
little ditty:

To the tune of 'The Wanderer'

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I'm the type of guy
Who likes to hang around.
I go from place to place,
I ape from town to town.
When I want to impress someone
I make myself a clone.
I take up whatever they're doing
And make it all my own.

Cuz I'm a follower.
My name's The Follower.
I trail around around around around around.

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(C) 2004 Sinister Midget
All Rights Reserved

It's nice to see the KKK-KKKids kkkeep links to their own posts so they
can quote themselves when they see a need to grab some attention. I
guess that's what it takes to make them feel important.

DISCLAIMER: This post was in response solely to a post by Jesse Hughes,
and nobody else. Anyone other than Jesse Hughes imagining that this
post is directed toward them should take immediate steps to find a busy
freeway which has a mere painted line to spearate opposing traffic, and
to lay down perpendicular to that line, as it's obvious that such a
person finds themselves dwelling in one of the most miserable of
existences.

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"One world, one web, one program" -- Microsoft promotional ad
"Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuehrer" -- Adolf Hitler