it's good to see the mind behind java switching over to OSX...

http://www.apple.com/pro/science/gosling/

discussion here:

http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=0...37&mode=thread

Oxford

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In article <csma-5D9528.11160221082003@news.uswest.net>,
Oxford <csma@mac.com> wrote:

Just wait: Johnny will now declare him "technically incompetent"...

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

Oxford wrote:
wow, that is a good endorsement ... and an interesting endorsement.

Surely when a Sun VP endorses an Apple product there must be some
interesting corporate strategies at work. What fun to work out
what it is ...

- could be a genearl agreement that desktop UNIXes are good, and that
Sun's new Linux desktop will interoperate with Apple's at some level
especially Java

- could be that (after praising Apple's display technology) Sun might
acquire some rights to that display technology

- could be a CPU thing, but I doubt it

Those are my best guesses. Though I was once told word-of-mouth that
Scott McNeally, after working with NeXT in the old days, had said "I'd
rather stick hot needles in my eyes that work with Steve Jobs. LOL,
maybe time passes and needles cool.

See also:

"Sun-Apple rumors set markets jangling"

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/32219.html

Lefty wrote:
Hmm. Do you suppose that Sun retains some ancient rights to postscript
display technology, from those old NeXT contracts?

In article "Lefty" <Lefty@NotARealAddress.com> wrote:

well, i wouldn't read any "corporate strategy" into this... it's just
his personal tool of choice... from his blog:

"I use the MAC because it's a great platform. One of the nice things
about developing in Java on the MAC is that you get to develop on a
lovely machine, but you don't cut yourself off from deploying on other
platforms. It's a fast and easy platform to develop on. Rock solid. I
never reboot my machine... Really! Opening and closing the lid on a
Powerbook actually works. The machine is up and running instantly when
you open it up. No viruses. Great UI. All the Java tools work here:
NetBeans and JEdit are the ones I use most. I tend to think of OSX as
Linux with QA and Taste".

Oxford

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Oxford wrote:
I don't think he's such a loose canon that he'd endorse a (nominally)
competing product without running it by his buddies.

In article "Lefty" <Lefty@NotARealAddress.com> wrote:

still think your reading too much into it... gosling is his own
person... tim berners lee of www fame also has publicy stated he uses
osx, but i doubt he ran it through the W3 for approval.

http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/

"If I use slides (I often do not) I use a laptop -- currently a Mac
running OSX."

my take is that these are just personal preferences, outside any
specific corporate mission...

Oxford
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Oxford wrote:
The W3.ORG does not make products competing with Macintoshes.

Sheesh, not only does Sun make Sparc/Solaris desktops, they are in the
process of launching a Linux-based desktop.

At the very launch of that Linux-based desktop, *another* Sun executive
expressed the desire that Sun and Apple work more closely together:

"Sun exec: 'Practically every' employee owns a Mac"

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/08/06/sun/

In article <bi3qiv$54u6i$1@ID-169482.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Liam Slider <liam@NOSPAM.liamslider.com> wrote:

Might perhaps apply to the specific group that Jonathan
Schwartz works in. Perhaps.

Guess what?

You don't have the first clue about what you're saying; you're
certainly not basing it on anything more reliable than your
own prejudices.

It's certainly not true about most Sun employees that use Macs,
much less the majority of Mac owners.

Yeah, yeah.

In article <Ko71b.13952$2Y6.4372174@news2.news.adelphia.net>,
"Lefty" <Lefty@NotARealAddress.com> wrote:

Aroo? I thought Postscipt is an Adobe baby.

--
Woofbert, Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft
Woofbert's Law on Learning Linux: When attempting to learn Linux,
study it thoroughly before you begin.

In article <bi3qiv$54u6i$1@ID-169482.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Liam Slider <liam@NOSPAM.liamslider.com> wrote:

I bought the new VW bug because it gets 50 damned miles for every gallon
of inexpensive fuel I put into its tank.

--
Trev

"Hypotheses are initially assumed false, by definition. Science is about
proving them true." - Daniel Seriff

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 02:13:42 -0400, Trevor Zion Bauknight wrote:

Bingo... and it has better acceleration than a lot of similarly priced cars
*with* that gas mileage.

Gotta love Turbo Diesel engines. They're cleaner than gasoline too.

Simon

In article <xsmu6sd5p49y.11sbgkajeice6$.dlg@40tude.net>,
Simon Cooke <simoncooke@eaSPAMMAGErthNOSPAMlink.net> wrote:

I fully intend to move into a solar-powered cabin in the mountains of SC
and purchase refined soybean oil by the drum for this car. :-)

Yeah, the TDI is fantastic...don't understand why all cars aren't made
this way.

--
Trev

"Hypotheses are initially assumed false, by definition. Science is about
proving them true." - Daniel Seriff

In comp.os.linux.advocacy Woofbert <woofbert.spam@infernosoft.com> wrote:

: This is fine as long as you don't read James Gosling's words on the
: Apple web site or his blog, where he makes it clear that he uses Macs
: because they allow him to do things that require a lot of thought.

Ouch:

``I tend to think of OSX as Linux with QA and Taste.''

- http://weblogs.java.net/jag/
--
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|im |yler http://timtyler.org/ tim@tt1.org

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 02:13:42 -0400, Trevor Zion Bauknight
<trevzb@comcast.net> wrote:

So? You could have gotten a Golf, which is the same car with
different sheet metal, and gotten the same gas milage in a more
practical, albeit less "fashionable", package.

Woofbert wrote:
Yes, but NeXT licensed Postcript, created a graphical display system
based on Postscript, and relicensed that to their users.

Sun was a onetime NeXT partner/licensee/something, which is why I asked.

chrisv wrote:
Chrisv is right, I'm afraid. For a long time I thought (maybe it's what
they told us in the old days) that diesel exhaust was more visibile, but
less damaging to the environement that gasoline exhaust.

Now, pretty much everybody agrees that diesels put out enough
carcinogens to make up for that.

It makes me think the high-milages gasoline hybirds (like the honda
insight or new civic hybrid) are the way to go.

In article <woofbert.spam-08D155.22103521082003@typhoon.sonic.net>,
Woofbert <woofbert.spam@infernosoft.com> wrote:

The closest Sun ever got to licensing PostScript technology
was their old NeWS windowing software, which was a home-grown
PostScript-like method. No Adobe licenses involved, but they
dropped it when most of the rest of the Unix world went off
in another direction. It was actually pretty slick, pretty good
performance, too, for the time.

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:43:54 GMT, Lefty wrote:


No, he's not.

Who's talking about the "old days"? I'm talking about as of the year 2000,
emissions testing the VW TDi bug vs. a whole slew of other cars on the
market.

"TDi vs. gasoline - The TDi emissions levels are among the lowest ever for
Diesel powered engines. All TDi powered Volkswagens sold in the US meet
so-called "Tier 1" emission limits. The TDi is often "cleaner" overall than
gasoline powered cars. CO2 emissions area bout 20% less than a conventional
gasoline powered engine. CO, HC and NOx emissions are less than previous
Volkswagen Diesels. Diesel fuel has lower evaporative emissions than
gasoline. Diesel fuel also requires less energy intensive refining than
gasoline.

Diesel engines generally emit higher amounts of NOx and particles than
equivalent gasoline powered cars, even though CO and HC emissions may be
lower, and total emissions are lower due to much better fuel consumption.
The current TDI Volkswagens emit slightly lower than the Tier 1 limits for
NOx and particles, but the CO and HC emissions are far below the Tier 1
limits and well below the emissions of the equivalent gasoline engine.

The emission levels from diesel engines tend to remain more-or-less
constant throughout the useful life of the engine, whereas gasoline engines
have many more emission-related components which deteriorate and lead to
higher and higher emissions as the engine gets older.

Volkswagen has made continuous progress on emissions through the years, and
2000-model TDI engines emit far less than the 1996 models first available
here. Further progress has been made in Europe with new fuel-injection and
emission-control technology, but for various technical and market-related
reasons, this technology is not available here."

In article <2z24jla9l7pj.1ae4pi1ev9cp4$.dlg@40tude.net>,
Simon Cooke <simoncooke@eaSPAMMAGErthNOSPAMlink.net> wrote:

These (below) are all pretty loaded statements.

"among the lowest ever", but not the lowest, even when restricted to
only "Diesel powered engines".

Without knowing what those are...

Which "gasoline powered cars", though; new ones? Or twenty year oldones?

Which "conventional gasoline powered engine"? And since CO2 is an
inevitable product of clean combustion, how is that a good thing?

Not even necessarily less than previous Diesels from companies *other*
than Volkswagen...

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."