flatfish+++ wrote:

How did you get your copy of Linux Mandrake 9.2?

Did you buy a prepackaged copy - or did you download it?

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Pete Goodwin wrote:

He stole it, naturally
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"Pete Goodwin" <pgoodwin.REMOVE@TO.REPLY.sensaura.com> writes:

Why does it matter?

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Jesse F. Hughes wrote:

it matters because the download isos are not available to the general public
yet. They are only officially available to fully paid_up members of the
Mandrake club.

However, some people have also made the Mandrake 9.2 iso's available via
bittorrent to get round this fact thus depriving Mandrake Club members of
the exclusivity and reward of being able to get their hands on the new
release before the general hoard of freeloaders... there's been a load of
wailing and gnashing of teeth and general "teddies-out-of-the-cot" about it
over on slashdot... some tossers are bemoaning the fact that Mandrake
weren't upholding the GPL in some strange way by denying the immediate
release of 9.2 isos to the servers.... which is weird as the GPL makes
nothing about making binaries freely available... only giving equivalent
access to the source code to those who've legally aquired the binaries.

So the quibble here with the finned one is whether he legally aquired the
isos via a download only available to those fully paid up members of the
Mandrake club... or if he got it from an "illegal" bittorrent stream and
thus deprived Mandrake of their rightfull club membership revenue.

Everyone moans about how these companies aren't doing very well, yet there
are some tossers out there who delight in shafting them when they do make
an effort to become self sustaining. One would suspect that some Microsoft
"plants" are doing this to deprive Mandrake of a good business model. I
wouldn't put it past them.

Same with the SuSE 9.0 release... It's already available on usenet in direct
breach of the SuSE licence for the YAST setup tool... and again the same
trolls are coming out with the same old anti-SuSE rant about how they are
breaking the GPL by disallowing downloads of the isos...

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paul cooke <paul_cooke@linux_NO_SPAM_mail.org> writes:

Thanks for the thorough explanation. I had missed the brouhaha,
apparently.

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flatfish+++ wrote:

As if I would believe you, liar
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:14:00 GMT,
flatfish+++ <flatfish+++@linuxmail.org> wrote:
Bittorrent, is a way of spreading out the bandwidth of p2p stuff. Or
even one to many stuff, such as downloading isos from redhat et al. You
download something big, like say, an iso, on bittorrent, and the bt
client makes that same data available to others to pull down from you.
It can get pretty complicated in the code I understand, especially
dealing with cutting the iso up into chunks, and checksuming them and
all that jazz. But it really helps out on bandwidth limited sites, and
looks like a good way to reduce or eliminate slashdotting, if it gets
applied to http traffic.

As an aside, in a conversation with some Real Networks folks, I asked
about applying bt to the real stream, to reduce bandwidth requirements
on the server, and they said they were allready looking into it

On that note, I have been playing with some of the helix community
stuff. Looks very promising.


that's either ironic, or instant karma, or perhaps a combination of
both.


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flatfish+++ vomitted:

How do you like the Mandrake Club? I left Mandrake for SuSE right after they
launched it. I was wondering what it has done for you? I thought I saw that
you can request and vote on rpm's you'd like to see and if there is enough
interest, Mandrake will build them for you to be downloaded in the club
area.

Anyway, I'd really like you to elaborate on the Mandrake Club. I just
ordered SuSE 9, so it won't be until the spring release before I take
another look at Mandrake. I always liked it, but I got frustrated with them
and abandoned ship.

paul cooke vomitted:

Yet, GPL doesn't require isos. They also cry that YaST isn't GPL'd, but it's
almost as good. They just don't want others profiting from their work. You
can distributed for free all you want. You just can't charge someone for it
without prior consent and licensing fees.

I use SuSE and I like it. Mandrake is really nice too, but their financial
problems are of concern...

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:00:57 GMT, in article
<1090046.lGuOY716Gt@cooke-main-box.madhouse>, paul cooke wrote:

Mandrake's use of GPL software invalidates claims related to "illegal"
bittorrent stream' and 'rightfull [sic] ... revenue".

To quote from Mandrake's web site:

While the term "free" implies that source code is distributed with the
program, it in no way means that the application itself is necessary free
(has no cost). The GPL license simply prevents a distributor from taking
over the work carried out by a community of developers and including
usage restrictions.

So, once you or I or anyone else has a copy of this software, Mandrake may
not restrict our right to redistribute it, as long as the terms of the GPL
are met.

SuSE includes non-Free Software with its distribution for the sole purpose
of denying others from selling discs containing their version of Linux.
While this is within their rights under copyright law, it's hard to lose
sleep over this kind of restriction.

SuSE can disallow downloads of their YaST tool if they so desire. Their
behavior is parasitical but legal.

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We would not, nor will not, make such a claim."
-- Darl McBride. CEO, The SCO Group. August 2002.

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, paul cooke wrote:

Actually, it was Mandrake themselves who released it on BitTorrent. They
have made the .torrent files available to Mandrake Club members only, and
are using this method of distribution as a way to reduce the load on the
FTP servers when it is released to the general public. The ISOs are not
available on ANY FTP servers until (IIRC) the end of this week.

See www.mandrakeclub.com

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Jesse F. Hughes wrote:

Curiosity, since the Mandrake 9.2 downloads are only currently
available via BitTorrent. Since Flatfish has already indicated he's a
member, that's how he got it so early.

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Pete Goodwin wrote:

Which is rather amusing as Flatfish admitted ignorance as to what BitTorrent
was... he couldn't have possible have legally downloaded as he would have
had to explicity use a BitTorrent client to get it...

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paul cooke wrote:

Couldn't he have got a copy from someone who was a legal BitTorrent member?
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You know, I almost put a .sig down here.

paul cooke blubbered effusively on Wed, 22 Oct 2003 at 18:11 GMT:

<SNIP>

But wait. S/H/It gave it some pretty good marks for most of it! Surely
we wouldn't want to toss /that/ out just because s/h/it's lying,* would
we?

* Again.

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figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."

the Entity Formerly Known As Jazz blubbered effusively on Wed, 22 Oct 2003 at 19:02 GMT:

Sure. But how explain the claim to being a Mandrake Club member as the
reason for being able to get it, and /still/ not knowing what
BitTorrent is and/or what it's for?

Face it, Flatso is lying once more. Once a liar, always a liar. Once a
thief, always a thief. If s/h/it hasn't stolen a copy already, s/h/it
will eventually. If not Mandrake, something else.

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flatfish+++ wrote:

Thank you. That reinforces the point I was making to that dimbulb "Mark" a
few days ago.

He seems to have disappeared, hopefully for good...

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