"ktm" <ktm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:357C25D2-4EC6-4393-98D1-DE718BB79ED0@microsoft.com
....
> I can live with the 6 minutes boot-time -- provided I resolve the virtual
> memory drainage requiring frequent re-boots.


Try using Task Manager to identify the source of the leak.
E.g. use its View menu to force display of all possible statistics
on the Processes tab and then see what statistic (and where)
is growing without resetting fully.

Hint: in some unpatched versions of XP you can find that
GDI Objects is such a problem statistic for tasks such as explorer.exe
and msimn.exe. The workaround for those cases is to shut down
those tasks. I.e. if you monitor them closely enough that you can
periodically reset them so that a reboot is not required to deal with
the problem.


BTW diagnosing this issue is off-topic for this newsgroup.
You may find better assistance in a newsgroup which specializes
in performance and maintenance for your OS.
(cross-posting to one now in case somebody there can reply
to you immediately.)


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
---


>I have XP pro (sp2), and this problem:
> Basically, a message saying unable to initialise application with error
> 0xc0000017, and /or just "insufficient resources" comes up after leaving PC
> with no
> activity for ~ 6 hours , after the DSL cable was disconnected manually, and
> after at least 8 hours with the DSL cable connected.
>
> However, absolutely no issues with scan, and no alien svchost running from
> outside system32 directory.
> Also, this box, as of late, takes ~ 6 minutes to reboot now ( granted a lot
> of
> applications, and a P-III with 768 Mbytes RAM-- yet over 2GB virtual memory
> available to it, and BIOS is Okay up to date) but this behaviour is still
> unreasonable...
> I did test its performance under a new user profile, also as Admin, and
> again it required ~ 6 minutes to boot,( 4.5 minutes of which actually to
> bring up the desktop regardless of its contents).
> I can live with the 6 minutes boot-time -- provided I resolve the virtual
> memory drainage requiring frequent re-boots.
> I would like to avoid a major re-install ! MVP support would be appreciated,
> Thanks .
> --
> ktm_...an IT advanced amateur yet forever novice !

ktm

Are there any Error Reports in Event Viewer during booting?

You can access Event Viewer by selecting Start, Administrative Tools,
Event Viewer.
When researching the meaning of the error, information regarding Event
ID, Source
and Description are important.

HOW TO: View and Manage Event Logs in Event Viewer in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...&Product=winxp

Part of the Description of the error will include a link, which you
should double click
for further information and you can copy using copy and paste.
http://go.microsoft.com/fw.link/events.asp
(Please note the hyperlink above is for illustration purposes only)

A tip for posting copies of Error Reports! Run Event Viewer and double
click on the
error you want to copy. In the window, which appears is a button
resembling two
pages. Double click the button and close Event Viewer. Now start your
message
(email) and do a paste into the body of the message. This will paste the
info from the
Event Viewer Error Report complete with links into the message. Make
sure this is
the first paste after exiting from Event Viewer.

In Event Viewer there is no facility to print Error Reports. A
workaround is copy and
paste the Error Report into an email, send it to yourself and print off
the copy in your
Inbox or your Sent Items folder.

Robert Aldwinckle has suggested Task Manager. Task Manager is useful but
you could look at another freeware utility Process Explorer, which
provides similar information but adds that little bit extra towards
seeing what the running processes represent.

For further information about Process Explorer see here:

http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/fr.../procexp.shtml

One thing you could use Task Manager for when the system is struggling.
Select the Performance
Tab. What is the Commit Charge? Two figures divided by backslash.

--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
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"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> wrote in message
news:%234mgEdb1FHA.556@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> "ktm" <ktm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:357C25D2-4EC6-4393-98D1-DE718BB79ED0@microsoft.com
> ...
>> I can live with the 6 minutes boot-time -- provided I resolve the
>> virtual
>> memory drainage requiring frequent re-boots.
>
>
> Try using Task Manager to identify the source of the leak.
> E.g. use its View menu to force display of all possible statistics
> on the Processes tab and then see what statistic (and where)
> is growing without resetting fully.
>
> Hint: in some unpatched versions of XP you can find that
> GDI Objects is such a problem statistic for tasks such as
> explorer.exe
> and msimn.exe. The workaround for those cases is to shut down
> those tasks. I.e. if you monitor them closely enough that you can
> periodically reset them so that a reboot is not required to deal with
> the problem.
>
>
> BTW diagnosing this issue is off-topic for this newsgroup.
> You may find better assistance in a newsgroup which specializes
> in performance and maintenance for your OS.
> (cross-posting to one now in case somebody there can reply
> to you immediately.)
>
>
> HTH
>
> Robert Aldwinckle
> ---
>
>
>>I have XP pro (sp2), and this problem:
>> Basically, a message saying unable to initialise application with
>> error
>> 0xc0000017, and /or just "insufficient resources" comes up after
>> leaving PC
>> with no
>> activity for ~ 6 hours , after the DSL cable was disconnected
>> manually, and
>> after at least 8 hours with the DSL cable connected.
>>
>> However, absolutely no issues with scan, and no alien svchost running
>> from
>> outside system32 directory.
>> Also, this box, as of late, takes ~ 6 minutes to reboot now ( granted
>> a lot
>> of
>> applications, and a P-III with 768 Mbytes RAM-- yet over 2GB virtual
>> memory
>> available to it, and BIOS is Okay up to date) but this behaviour is
>> still
>> unreasonable...
>> I did test its performance under a new user profile, also as Admin,
>> and
>> again it required ~ 6 minutes to boot,( 4.5 minutes of which actually
>> to
>> bring up the desktop regardless of its contents).
>> I can live with the 6 minutes boot-time -- provided I resolve the
>> virtual
>> memory drainage requiring frequent re-boots.
>> I would like to avoid a major re-install ! MVP support would be
>> appreciated,
>> Thanks .
>> --
>> ktm_...an IT advanced amateur yet forever novice !
>
>
>

Thanks Guys...

Task manager cannot be used -- as it would be frozen.

Gerry...
Event viewer has been very instructive to me...
I have since done some checking of the Event viewer -- after the event --
I see 4 types of warning/errors, related to
1) an obsolete AC300 camera
2) The server {...id...} did not register with DCOM within the required
timeout.
and 3) The server was unable to allocate from the system nonpaged pool
because the pool was empty., and 4) after reboot and restart of the event log
another error occurs, namely The Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) service hung
on starting

Note: ref the long-ago uninstalled video camera Acer AC300 error. i went to
registry and deleted all related items -- No joy came out of this track as
the problem persisted again today 23 october.
see below for typical sequence of how the system falls down:
-----
1) a warning on W32TIME precedes the crash of resources:

Event Type: Warning
Event Source: W32Time
Event Category: None
Event ID: 36
Date: 2005-10-22
Time: 05:35:31
User: N/A
Computer: ACO-P3
Description:
The time service has not been able to synchronize the system time for 49152
seconds because none of the time providers has been able to provide a usable
time stamp. The system clock is unsynchronized.
2) THIS IS followed by an SRV error

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Srv
Event Category: None
Event ID: 2019
Date: 2005-10-22
Time: 11:34:01
User: N/A
Computer: ACO-P3
Description:
The server was unable to allocate from the system nonpaged pool because the
pool was empty.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Data:
0000: 00 00 04 00 01 00 54 00 ......T.
0008: 00 00 00 00 e3 07 00 c0 ....ã..À
0010: 00 00 00 00 9a 00 00 c0 ....š..À
0018: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0028: 02 00 00 00 ....

-------------------------
3) then a warning from NAV -- on low resorces
4) then remote access gives information item that teh DSL connection is lost.
The rest is history !!

Let me hear some more, if you have any -- and Thanks anyway
--
ktm_...an IT advanced amateur yet forever novice !


"Gerry Cornell" wrote:

> ktm
>
> Are there any Error Reports in Event Viewer during booting?
>
> You can access Event Viewer by selecting Start, Administrative Tools,
> Event Viewer.
> When researching the meaning of the error, information regarding Event
> ID, Source
> and Description are important.
>
> HOW TO: View and Manage Event Logs in Event Viewer in Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...&Product=winxp
>
> Part of the Description of the error will include a link, which you
> should double click
> for further information and you can copy using copy and paste.
> http://go.microsoft.com/fw.link/events.asp
> (Please note the hyperlink above is for illustration purposes only)
>
> A tip for posting copies of Error Reports! Run Event Viewer and double
> click on the
> error you want to copy. In the window, which appears is a button
> resembling two
> pages. Double click the button and close Event Viewer. Now start your
> message
> (email) and do a paste into the body of the message. This will paste the
> info from the
> Event Viewer Error Report complete with links into the message. Make
> sure this is
> the first paste after exiting from Event Viewer.
>
> In Event Viewer there is no facility to print Error Reports. A
> workaround is copy and
> paste the Error Report into an email, send it to yourself and print off
> the copy in your
> Inbox or your Sent Items folder.
>
> Robert Aldwinckle has suggested Task Manager. Task Manager is useful but
> you could look at another freeware utility Process Explorer, which
> provides similar information but adds that little bit extra towards
> seeing what the running processes represent.
>
> For further information about Process Explorer see here:
>
> http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/fr.../procexp.shtml
>
> One thing you could use Task Manager for when the system is struggling.
> Select the Performance
> Tab. What is the Commit Charge? Two figures divided by backslash.
>
> --
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> FCA
>
> Using invalid email address
>
> Stourport, Worcs, England
> Enquire, plan and execute.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Please tell the newsgroup how any
> suggested solution worked for you.
>
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> wrote in message
> news:%234mgEdb1FHA.556@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > "ktm" <ktm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:357C25D2-4EC6-4393-98D1-DE718BB79ED0@microsoft.com
> > ...
> >> I can live with the 6 minutes boot-time -- provided I resolve the
> >> virtual
> >> memory drainage requiring frequent re-boots.
> >
> >
> > Try using Task Manager to identify the source of the leak.
> > E.g. use its View menu to force display of all possible statistics
> > on the Processes tab and then see what statistic (and where)
> > is growing without resetting fully.
> >
> > Hint: in some unpatched versions of XP you can find that
> > GDI Objects is such a problem statistic for tasks such as
> > explorer.exe
> > and msimn.exe. The workaround for those cases is to shut down
> > those tasks. I.e. if you monitor them closely enough that you can
> > periodically reset them so that a reboot is not required to deal with
> > the problem.
> >
> >
> > BTW diagnosing this issue is off-topic for this newsgroup.
> > You may find better assistance in a newsgroup which specializes
> > in performance and maintenance for your OS.
> > (cross-posting to one now in case somebody there can reply
> > to you immediately.)
> >
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Robert Aldwinckle
> > ---
> >
> >
> >>I have XP pro (sp2), and this problem:
> >> Basically, a message saying unable to initialise application with
> >> error
> >> 0xc0000017, and /or just "insufficient resources" comes up after
> >> leaving PC
> >> with no
> >> activity for ~ 6 hours , after the DSL cable was disconnected
> >> manually, and
> >> after at least 8 hours with the DSL cable connected.
> >>
> >> However, absolutely no issues with scan, and no alien svchost running
> >> from
> >> outside system32 directory.
> >> Also, this box, as of late, takes ~ 6 minutes to reboot now ( granted
> >> a lot
> >> of
> >> applications, and a P-III with 768 Mbytes RAM-- yet over 2GB virtual
> >> memory
> >> available to it, and BIOS is Okay up to date) but this behaviour is
> >> still
> >> unreasonable...
> >> I did test its performance under a new user profile, also as Admin,
> >> and
> >> again it required ~ 6 minutes to boot,( 4.5 minutes of which actually
> >> to
> >> bring up the desktop regardless of its contents).
> >> I can live with the 6 minutes boot-time -- provided I resolve the
> >> virtual
> >> memory drainage requiring frequent re-boots.
> >> I would like to avoid a major re-install ! MVP support would be
> >> appreciated,
> >> Thanks .
> >> --
> >> ktm_...an IT advanced amateur yet forever novice !
> >
> >
> >
>
>

"ktm" <ktm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:AC76D744-2573-412B-89DC-E88A81F776AD@microsoft.com...
>
>
> Thanks Guys...
>
> Task manager cannot be used -- as it would be frozen.


You've missed the point. Use Task Manager to monitor your system
periodically *before* you run into a situation where your keyboard is
frozen.


---

Thank you guys for this - Microsoft blather on about something called
Aventail which I've never heard of never mind installed - had my system
reinstalled by an expert (consultant to multiple suppliers) and the net
connection drops regularly, progarms get the resources low freeze and the
0xc0000017 appears on task manager among others - I'll work my way gingerly
through these suggestions.

"Gerry Cornell" wrote: