measekite wrote:


-----------more of his usual lies-------------------

Get lost asshole.
We're all so tired of your incessant lies.
Frank

measekite wrote:

----lies...and more lies---
How fukkin dumb are you anyway?
Frank

measekite wrote:


---more of his big lies---
Hey you old fart...you've never used after market inks so just STFU you
fuckwit moron lying loser.
Frank

"Frank" <fb@signm.crt> wrote in message
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I get my cartridges refilled AND the chips reset at my local Cartridge World
in Oxford, UK. I understand that the ink they use is formulated and supplied
by OCP Inks from Germany. In a recent invetigation by Trusted Reviews .com
www.trustedreviews.com Cartridge World refilled cartidges were preferred
over oem cartridges. I have had no problems using this company and lose none
of the functionality of the chips either.
Stick

"Francis Fronzaglia" <ffronzaglia@frisco.net> wrote in message
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Except the way that the low on ink indicators work on most printers is that
they know how much ink the cartridge starts with, then they count how many
drops they spit out (either on paper or in servicing). Based on the few
things they know they can do a reasonable job of estimating the remaining
ink.

In the case of a refill they cannot do this, since they have no way of
knowing how much ink the refiller put in the cartridge. Maybe the refiller
puts in the same amount of ink, but they may put in more or less. The ink
gauge cannot be accurate in this case, and to provide an inaccurate gauge
would lead to various other issues.

- Bob Headrick, MS MVP Printing/Imaging

"Bob Headrick" <bobh@proaxis.com> wrote in message
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If you knew anything at all about Canon printers, you wouldn't have posted
this.

"Bob Headrick" <bobh@proaxis.com> wrote in message
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used in the last six or so years (or more - I have only been using Canon
printers for about four years) there is an optical sensor that indicates
when the reservoir section is empty. The ink monitor on screen then shows
that the ink level is low. There is then a fairly crude countdown of ink
used for the next few prints after which the monitor signals that the cart
is out of ink. As is the case with other inkjet printers there is still
some ink left in the sponge side of the cart as a safety margin for
preventing printhead damage if it were tocompletely run dry. When the cart
that has signaled low or empty is replaced by another cart (Canon assumes
that you are replacing it with a new fresh OEM cart) the ink monitor shows
that the cart is full. Even if you should put a refilled cart in place that
has only enough ink in it to cover the prism at the bottom of the reservoir
section it will show full. Once the reservoir section is empty, however,
you will get the low ink message. This happens when the prism is no longer
submerged in ink.

What Francis is discussing is the new Canon carts with the chip installed.
Refilling these carts works just fine as far as printing is concerned. The
printer, however, recognizes the cart as empty due to the chip and lets you
know that you will lose your warranty if you continue to print with a
refilled cart. I am not discussing if that is appropriate or not - what is
inappropriate is the fact that Canon then disables the optical sensor system
so you must visually inspect the refilled carts periodically to avoid
running them dry and ruining the printhead. They actually contribute to the
potential destruction of your printhead - absolutely a punative measure to
force the use of new OEM ink carts.

There are absolutely some junk inks out there. There are, however, several
brands of ink that cause no damage to the printer or printhead. The user
may chose to use aftermarket inks and accept the possibility that these inks
are less fade resistant than OEM inks. Should Canon still warranty their
printheads if the printers are used with aftermarket inks? That is their
call. They should not, however use punative measures that have no purpose
except to damage your printhead by disabling the safety measure built in to
the carts (refilled or not), the printer, and the ink monitor software.

DanG wrote:

"Victek" &lt;victek@xyz.com&gt; wrote in message news:h%c7j.77044$YL5.10478@newssvr29.news.prodigy. net...



Good information - thanks - but does moving the chip to a different tank work? And regardless of which tank the chip is on does the printer have to be reset in some way to read the ink levels correctly?



Makes no difference whether you refill or move the chip to a new tank, the printer's ink level system must be disabled to continue printing with that chip.


It makes a big difference if you would use Canon OEM ink.

Victek wrote:
Well if you print a lot and it does not clog the printhead because of
that then continue. At least you admit that the no names do not provide
the quality that the OEM ink does. You cannot say that about many of
the idiots that post in this forum who just lie thru their teeth. Maybe
some are penniless kids and others are old farts that are trying to
stretch their social security.

Francis Fronzaglia wrote:
People who buy quality ink like Canon, HP or Epson who want to reduce
the risk of printhead cloggging, fading and have better print quality
for photos most likely pay a little more and drink Starbucks coffee.
The other idiots go to the supermarket and drink coffee from China.
They probably get their toothpaste from there and USED TO feed their dog
that wonderful imported dog food.

Stick Stickus wrote:

"Frank" &lt;fb@signm.crt&gt; wrote in message news:475e0586$0$9620$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...



measekite wrote: ----lies...and more lies--- How fukkin dumb are you anyway? Frank



I get my cartridges refilled AND the chips reset at my local Cartridge World in Oxford, UK. I understand that the ink they use is formulated and supplied by OCP Inks from Germany.

Most of the reviews that you can trust do not agree with those opinions.&nbsp; CW used to claim they used Sensinent ink.&nbsp; Who really know.


In a recent invetigation by Trusted Reviews .com www.trustedreviews.com Cartridge World refilled cartidges were preferred over oem cartridges. I have had no problems using this company and lose none of the functionality of the chips either. Stick

"DanG" <nospam@q.com> wrote in message
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Do not presume how much I know about Canon printers. The Canon printers do
have an optical system that gives a signal when the ink level is down to
about 15% remaining. Older Canon printers did not have an ink gauge, they
simply gave the user a signal when the prism indicated the main (free
liquid) chamber was depleted. There were various customer complaints with
this system, as there was no warning before the "you are nearly empty"
message. [You could have seen those complaints in this newsgroup a few
years ago.] In more recent printers they provide an ink gauge based on
knowing when a new cartridge is installed, how much ink they put in and
various factors about printing and servicing. They then estimate ink
remaining, and correct this at the point the prism indicates actual low ink.

For the recent printers they cannot provide a reasonable gauge during life
for third party cartridges since they do not know the initial ink. They
could have an alternate warning based on the older system to accommodate
these cartridges, but that would require more firmware and testing. They
are in a no-win situation - if they provide an inaccurate gauge folks will
complain, if they disable the [inaccurate] gauge folks will complain.

- Bob Headrick, MS MVP Printing/Imaging

:
Besides the prism, CLI-8 / PGI-5 cartridges have another optical sensing
system that involves the tapered light guide at the front of the
cartridge. The top of this guide reflects the light outwards through the
small dark grey window to a sensor that is mounted left just behind the
front of the printer, in my case an ip4300. See
http://members.lycos.nl/dmjbijzboek/...ide-sensor.jpg

As an experiment, I removed the light guide to obtain a free view to the
ink level while the cartridge is mounted in the printer. Works great,
even better when you remove part of the clip also. See
http://members.lycos.nl/dmjbijzboek/...8-inklevel.jpg

With a refilled cartridge, it was initially reported as completely
empty, but printing was possible by pressing the resume button.
Later on, it reported "low ink level", printing proceeded normally.
Eventually it reported that the ink level could not be established and I
had to press the resume button 5 seconds to switch off the ink
monitoring system. Printing proceeds still normally and visual checking
the ink level is a snap.

Since the printer never reported a refilled cartridge, I think the
second sensor has something to do with that.
It is a rather leaky light guide, hence the amount of light that falls
on the sensor depends on the amount of light that is reflected back from
the reservoir and that may be dependent on the ink level. Any better
ideas?

I installed another nodified refilled cartridge, same story, currently
it is reported as "low ink level".
My conclusion is that switching off the ink monitoring system does not
matter if it is replaced by the visual ink level inspection.
When the reservoir is empty, there is ample tine to refill it again,
because the foam still holds plenty of ink.

By the way, I use the "German method" for refilling. See a.o.
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2465



--
Have fun, Bert

measekite wrote:
No money to get a life??

--
Have fun, Bert

measekite wrote:


-----lies and stupid ignorant insults---
Get a life you idiot!
Frank

measekite wrote:

nothing of importance...as usual.
Frank

measekite wrote:


typical lying crap for and idiot like him.
Frank

Bob Headrick wrote:
I've been running 3 Canon printers for years and there is absolutely
nothing wrong with the system that simply says "You are nearly empty"
(the free liquid chamber is depleted). When I get this message I run
off a few more pages, or a few photos, and then put in a full set of
cartridges, home refilled. Anyone with complaints that the metering
system doesn't give enough readings is out to lunch. No one should be
running inkjet printers without back-up ink cartridges. If they are,
then maybe the metering system isn't their biggest concern. I have two
primary printers and an older spare I bring out for heavy load jobs.
Printers are also finicky appliances, you never know when they'll all of
a sudden decide not to work for one reason or another. I have learned
over the years that having 2 or 3 printers and 5 or 6 sets of backup
cartridges guarantees I'll never ever to say, "Sorry, my printer is
down, or I'm out of ink, I can't get to the store until next week."

-Taliesyn

"Burt" <nospam@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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There is also a company out there called Cartridge World which, in the UK,
can reset these chips so you lose none of the functionaly of the ink status
monitor.

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Stick Stickus wrote:
"Frank" <fb@signm.crt> wrote in message
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measekite wrote:

----lies...and more lies---
How fukkin dumb are you anyway?
Frank

I get my cartridges refilled AND the chips reset at my local Cartridge World
in Oxford, UK. I understand that the ink they use is formulated and supplied
by OCP Inks from Germany.Most of the reviews that you can trust do not agree with those opinions. CW used to claim they used Sensinent ink. Who really know.

I understand that they use Sensient ink to refill the Epson cartridges

In a recent invetigation by Trusted Reviews .com
www.trustedreviews.com Cartridge World refilled cartidges were preferred
over oem cartridges. I have had no problems using this company and lose none
of the functionality of the chips either.
Stick