Frank wrote:


Oh one other thing...I sincerely believe that he is now talking to
himself...only himself.
Good!
Frank

NO I HAVE YOU DUMBELL

"Taliesyn" <taliesyn4@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:11h6lp7mtdakt29@corp.supernews.com...
Al - take a look on the Nifty stuff site and try to find the reference to
something called Koganization (spelling?). This is a buildup of ink under
the printhead that simply occurs with use and time. Taliesyn's point is a
good one regarding preventitive maintenance. The Nifty stuff site also has
lots of info on print head cleaning, mostly with a bath in a very shallow
container of hot water. Just don't rub the jet areas or get the contacts
wet. There are many other tips as well.
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/

Jez, guys, I appreciate the pointers but, believe, me I've tried all
this and more. And, as far as bi-monthly printhead maintenance, I
generally clean mine after every use. I do the extreme stuff every
week or so. Sure, the cleaning will help matters in the short term
but, it never makes any difference of any significance.

On 29 Aug 2005 14:57:50 -0700, "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Well of course not... it sounds like to me that your printhead is
reaching the end of it's useful life and burning out... which if your
getting more than 8000p of black you're doing very well. A higher
drytime might affect your printhead life for the better but I don't
know that for a fact... but it really sounds like to me your using up
printheads at a rate below normal.

My Epson clogged with OEM ink after 2 days, the replacement clogged
after 4 day's, they even clogged with 3rd party inks.

My IP5000 is over 3 months old and still ain't clogged yet, mind you
I'm using Canon ink and will continue to do so until it starts to
clog like the Epsons, or until I feel like risking 3rd party inks.

All we here is OEM versus 3rd party inks, I have asked twice to date
and still ain't got no reply from any of you 'ink experts'.

Which inks is good and which inks are bad - a simple question, they do
have a name don't they? My knowledge on ink is a little less than zero
but I do know you can't put diesel in a car that uses petrol or
gasolene, implying that not all inks can not be the same, molecule
size, viscosity & compostion these alone will surely affect the
performance of any print head.

So until someone starts saying this ink is good and that ink is bad I
will continue to use Canon inks as I have had 100% reliablilty to
date.

Just what's the point in buying expensive printers and using anything
but the recomended ink and wondering why you get clogs and the
picture don't come out right. If the manufacturers say use this ink
for our printers and the print heads 'knack up' then its simply not
your fault, "duh I can't say that for Epson ...l.o.l."

With that "son of a gun" I had to check every print I made, with the
Canon I don't need to - so I'll stick with what I've got.

Davy

"Davy" <davecoe@blueyonder.co-dot-uk.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:YmYQe.3537$WN5.858@fe02.news.easynews.com...
Davy - you can look back several months on this newsgroup at posts by me,
Taliesyn, Ron Cohen, Steve Lee, and several others regarding aftermarket
inks that we've found work well with good color match and no clogging. Go
onto the Nifty-Stuff Forum and read through the material there and read Neil
Slade's information on his site. These sites have lots of info on
aftermarket inks. Formulabs bulk ink, available from Alotofthings and MIS
bulk inks work well. Steve Lee reports that Hobbicolors bulk inks are good.
You just need to research back into this NG and the other sites I've
mentioned as the information is all there. Refilling with bulk inks is
generally more predictable as many prefilled carts don't indicate whose ink
they contain. My own experience is with a Canon i960 and refilling with
bulk MIS inks. No problems with one year of use and beautiful photo prints.

Measekite, our resident Troll, does battle with everyone who mentions
aftermarket inks. Don't be discouraged by him as he has absolutely no
experience with these products or their vendors. You can expect him to
reply to this post with his usual obnoxious garbage and misinformation.
I've killfiled him, so he is talking to himself when he answers my posts.
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/

http://www.neilslade.com/papers/inkjetstuff.html

THE NIFTY REFILLERS HAVE ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS.

Burt wrote:

Davy wrote:

THAT IS AN IMPOSSIBLE QUESTION TO ANSWER BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT
THEY ARE USING. MANY CAN BE USING THE SAME INK WITH DIFFERENT LABELS
FROM DIFFERENT VENDORS. THERE ARE NO BRANDS. GOO GOOGLE FOR PREFILLED
CARTS AND TRY TO FIND BRANDS (MFG/FORMULATORS) THAT SELL UNDER THEIR
NAME THROUGH DIFFERENT CHANNELS. YOU WILL NOT FIND THEM.

YOU MADE A GOOD CHOICE - A CANON WITH OEM INK


*ATTENTION CHURCH GOING ASSHOLES - DO YOU HERE WHAT IS BEING SAID HERE?*

Burt wrote:

THESE ARE THE CHURCHGOING LIARS. BURT AKA BURTIE FUTIE ON THIS NG AND
FOTOFREEK (A MODERATOR) ON THE NIFTY CHURCH SITE THAT ALL SING THE SAME
SONG BUT THEY DO NOT KNOW THE MFG/FORMULATOR OF WHAT THEY USE.
FURTHERMORE THEY ARE NOT USING PREFILLED CARTS BUT GOING THROUGHT THE
PAIN IN THE ASS OF REFILLING WITH NEEDLES, SCREWS AND GLUE.

THE ONLY JUSTIFICATION FOR DOING THIS IS AN EXTREMELY HIGH PRINTLOAD

RECENTLY FORMULABS CHANGED THEIR MAGENTA AND ALOTOFCRAP DID NOT QUALITY
TEST IT AND PEOPLE PRINTED A BUNCH OF OFF COLOR CRAP.





AND THE STUFF HE BUYS FROM HIS VENDOR WILL NOT TELL HIM WHAT THEY ARE
SELLING HIM. HE DOES NOT KNOW. WHEN HIS VENDOR GETS ANOTHER BATCH AT
HIS BEST PRICE IT MAY NOT BE FROM THE SAME MFG AND IT IT IS YOU HAVE NO
IDEA OF THE QUALITY CONTROL.

CANON INK IS SOLD ALL OVER SO THEY A BUNCH OF PEOPLE BUY IT FROM OFFICE
DEPOT AND IT IS BAD YOU KNOW IT WILL BE THE SAME FROM COSTCO UNLESS IT
IS RELATED TO A SPECIFIC BATCH. CANON CONTROLS THE QUALITY.

HE THINKS HIS FAMILY IS BEAUTIFUL ALSO.




REASON HE STATED SO IF THIS IS GARBAGE THEN YOU ARE SAYING HE IS GARBAGE

MAYBE WHEN A MEMBER OF YOU CONGREGATION REPLIES TO ME AND THEN THAT
PERSON REPLIES TO HIM/HER YOU WILL WIND UP READING THIS OLD SMELLY ONE.

Thanks Burt, I knew about Niel Slades web sitet, must admit I've see
Nifty-Stuff mentioned many times in these pages but never thought o
'having a peep', will do that right now

Guess you can see my reasoning I just don't wanna end up with anothe
'clogger' like the other two I've had, I would have accepted the fac
with the Epsons if I had been using sub-standard ink or something o
that nature that produced clogs, but rest assured they were Epso
inks I used until the 2nd one started playing up when I used anythin
but Epson

Yes I know someone who do re-fill their oldish Canon printer an
they still work great and to my knowledge they don't get clogged u
with the JR brand

Oh dear..., sorry folks looks like I rattled the hornets nest here
but am really stuck between the Devil and the deep blue sea on wha
to do here

Dav

measekite wrote:
No.... the justification is purely cost. With bulk inks I can refill all
five cartridges in my i860 for the princely sum of about $5 Canadian
($4.24 US). That's a dollar ($CDN) per cartridge, since you have great
difficulty understanding economics.

I wouldn't buy OEM cartridges even if I used just one set a year (like
you do). There is NO JUSTIFICATION for paying almost as much for a set
of Canon cartridges as for a whole new printer WITH a set of cartridges!

As for refilling being a "pain in the ass", try saying that with the
approximately $1000 I save per year in your pocket. Kind of dulls the
pain, doesn't it. You being an admitted miser, you should understand the
value of money. ;-)

Clogs? . . . ha ha ha, or is it, he he he . . . I've never had a clog in
any of the three Canon printers I have owned or still own. Your doomsday
posts regarding refilling and compatible inks are quite comedic.

-Taliesyn

Taliesyn wrote:

ARE YOU GOING TO LISTEN TO A KID IN HIGH SCHOOL WHO HAS TO SAVE HIS
NICKELS TO BUY INK?

HEAVEY USER LIKE I SAID

IT IS HA HA HA

WHEN YOU PRINT AROUND THE CLOCK THE INK NEVER HAS A CHANCE TO DRY

measekite wrote:

Good one! That's what I like! Comedy.

You'll have to pardon my quick exit, I have to refill 2,378 cartridges
and I need to order a few barrels of ink . . . Ha HA HA.

Have a good evening, Measekite!

-Taliesyn

Taliesyn wrote:
hehehe...I see our local moron aka troll has gone ballistic!
Great, keep up the good work!
Frank

Don't bother to google... just e-mail any of the mfg/formulators and
ask them for a vender list.

But if I were to google "Formulabs cartridges" I will find many places
that offer Sensient's brand of ink "Formulabs ink". Same with "image
specalists". "Lyson cartridges photonic" yield a result as well even
in the retail box. Media Street I can find a local retail shop
directly off their website. I have no problem finding these brands.

I have no idea what your issue is. I can find these brands with ease
if I look for them.... and my experence base is less than yours. I can
only assume that you ignore the facts in order to spread FUD.

That's just it, there is a choice. This user took 5 seconds to weigh
their options, decided that what they buy works, and doesn't want to
take the time to try something else. That's just groovy.

But since the user asked about other options
http://www.neilslade.com/Papers/inktest.html

MIS ink has been reported as being good, and I use it my self. I have
yet to do fade testing so I can't honestly report that. I can report I
have used 2oz of color and 1oz of black thus far. I've reached the
point that if I clogged and had to buy a new printer... it would still
cost less than buying canon's OEM ink. While our resident spammer
might kick and scream "MIS is a vender label not a brand".. he could be
right. I have no clue who makes MIS ink... I could analize it on my
scanner vs Image Specalists ink and establish if there is a propable
match, but i'm lazy. But regardless it's a very good color match to
Canon's solution. I don't care who makes it as I have 6 oz of the
product and all of the inks have been consistent in color thus far.
It meets the very basic requirements

1 - How much - about $2.50 an oz or less if you buy in larger quanities
2.- is it any good - very good
3 - where can I buy it - www.inksupply.com

I've not tried inkgrabber's solution.

Regarding bad inks... the only ink I would class as "bad" would be IMS
ink from costco. Fades more quickly than even canon OEM ink from what
i've observed, and it's a generic ink.. not formulated for any specific
printhead. It "works" but is a wee bit thin. I have never seen the
stuff clog a printer, but I have seen it clear a OEM canon clog. I'm
told the Prite-Rite inks fade quickly as well, but I don't know this
for a fact.

I would avoid bulk refill kits that you find in places like drug
stores. You'll likely experence issues with the color not being
matched, the viscosity being different, and in some odd ball cases use
of solvents other than water. I noted recently I saw some water proof
refillable inks... but I would be afraid of using those in a thermal
printhead.

The Epsons use a micro piezo head, which is more tolerent to different
types of ink than thermal. They all clog equally well. Canon uses
thermal which is less tolerant.

Well, keep in mind that the value of the head is about USD$60 to $80.
Perhaps as much as 2/3 or 1/2 the value of the printer. £35 to £45
unless the cost of the head is more in the UK... £70.00 sounds
reasonable including vat and such for QY6-0057. Not such a great
deal considering the printer is £120.00 from amazon, but it is 50 quid
less than a new printer, and 50 quid is 50quid

4x(£7.59) + £9.99 =£40.35 for OEM ink from amazon.co.uk

Here is a random example I pulled from the net, note I don't know the
quality
http://www.choicestationery.com/acat...a_iP5000_.html
BCI-3eBk £2.50 (including vat and delivery)
BCI-6 BK 4x(£2.00) £8.00
-----
£10.50
Savings per set of 5 £29.85
Break even point if you need a replacement head... 2.4 refills or 12
tanks.

The question... are you likely to get more than 2 sets (10 tanks) of
printing out of 3rd party ink. If you choose something others report
as being good than great.

But in the end the choice is yours. You risk a £70.00 part. Weigh in
the likely hood of a printhead clog as well as the likelyhood of a
printhead clog that can not be cleaned. Shell out 40 quid... or
10quid... or perhaps 20 quid for a different option.

http://www.cartridgeworld.org/ was reccomended by another user at some
point. It's been said they use Formulabs or OCP ink for their refills
but I don't know this for a fact. It's worth looking into though. You
can always ask which brand of ink they use in their prefills, or what
they refill your tanks with.

Don't worry about it, you have a legit question that always gets one
user's panties in a bunch. It starts fights.

Frank wrote:


hehehe...I see our local moron aka troll aka Frank has gone ballistic!
Great, keep up the good work!

zakezuke wrote:

I DID MANY TIMES. SOME DID NOT ANSWER. THE REST SAID THE DO NOT
DISCLOSE THAT INFORMATION.

Really... that's amazing. I only know of a few MFG of ink and they are
happy to give you a link to a vender who will sell small quanities. I
have no issues googling "Image Specilists", Lyson, or "formula labs".

YOU ARE A LONG WINDED FOOL WHO ONLY THINKS HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING
ABOUT. I WOULD NEVER LET YOU TEST ANYTHING FOR ME.

zakezuke wrote: