Been using it for a month. Rebooted to windows today for the first time
in perhaps 2-3 weeks, and I felt a big ugghh. There's no way I'd go
back to using XP. And seeing how Vista doesn't excite me at all, I sure
am staying with linux. The software is excellent, excellent! I love the
KDE desktop apps. I'm using ubuntu, very nice distro. I love its
debianness.

"casioculture" <casioculture@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hows about I stick with what I damn well like?

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Keeping it FREE!

casioculture wrote:
I've been playing with it(Linux that is! Mandriva distro.) for about two
months now and I like it too. I still use Windows but there is so much
here for so little, it's almost worth the learning curve it takes to
learn the functioning and setup. Knowing windows does help though!

Cheers,
Buzzy

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"The World Wide Web's Rest Area"
Have you tried freeware!?
www.myspace.com/abydos

It would be kind of difficult to run all my development stuff on
Linux, since it doesn't run too well on Wine, and I could never be
sure that any bugs were due to the software, not the emulation. So
what I *should* be running is WinXP.
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I installed Freespire version 1.0 on my second computer, along
with my regular Windows XP. It seems to work quite well. I expect
that I will switch to some version of Linux rather than moving to
the next version of Windows, since Microsoft is determined to keep
making it more and more difficult to install and reinstall. Only
thing wrong with Linux, it won't play my games.

Steven Burn wrote:
Windows. Users. Applications. I like to think of them as the three legs
on a three-legged donkey.

Microsoft is part of the problem, but so is user cluelessness (would it
kill them to actually *learn* something) and application egotism (splash
screens, little icons on the icon bar, update checks, creating instances
at bootup, etc.).

Vista fills me with loathing. 15GB install - I mean, what were they
thinking? I saw a demo snippet of Vista, and it was doing a bit of
wizzy-wigging around. I tend to be a curmudgeony function-over-form type
of guy (I expect most people in IT are), but I thought it actually
looked quite swish. The problem is, though, is that it probably saps
performance.

For sheer visual scrumptiousness, there's always AROS, a free Amiga
clone. And it's blazingly fast, too.

I liked Slackware for its simplicity and speed. Having sampled the
delights of apt-get, though, I don't want to go back. To my mind, Ubuntu
just works, makes sensible choices, and is fairly easy to use.
Everything else being equal, I think it's the best distro around.

A bit strong, isn't it? The guy was only saying. Come on, let's all be
friends now.

"Mark Carter" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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I know, I'd just finished reading a few stories on Digg with all the FireFox
and anti-windows fanatics and got pee'd off.

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Keeping it FREE!

"casioculture" <casioculture@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Wow, a guy with 1 months worth of experience on an OS saying we should all
convert to it - you've sold me

Reality: Windows has over 90% of the OS market, and there is a heck of a lot
more software out there for Windows than there is for 'nix, so you restrict
yourself a lot if you restrict yourself exclusively to 'nix.

Solution: Use virtual machine software so that you can run both Windows and
'nix and get the best of both worlds.

Dave -Turner wrote:


Regards,
John.

casioculture wrote:
Linux is still a bit weak in multimedia and games. OK, games are not
important (and Cedega is improving), but unable to play Window$ media
could be a little problem. Also, linux's support for non-English
languages is a bit weak (compared to AppLocale).

So, I would stay in WinXP till Linux improves in those areas.

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Mark Carter wrote:
Yes but.....

You and I, and many others here have a technical aptitude or interest,
and are quite happy to play around with different systems. Most users
are just that. They use their 'puters as a tool to perform other
tasks. Tasks which you and I, and many others here, may find extremely
difficult to get our heads around. They have neither the time nor
interest in installing and learning new systems.
Other people may have tried Linux, then found it doesn't have the
drivers for their hardware. They don't want to pay out money to make
their systems compatible.
Just my 2 cents worth.
I do agree with your views on Vista. Maybe by the time XP is ditched,
I'll have replaced my hardware and moved to Linux

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To reply directly, replace the first at with the second one

KeithS wrote:
Yeah, but I wasn't launching a personal attack on someone - there wasn't
anything vindictive about it. I don't think it's a good idea to dwell on
this matter further, let's move on.

Well, obviously I was generalising.

I'm sure we've all seen it: people who seem to have been using computers
for a number of years now, yet seem to find Explorer mysterious.
Secretaries especially. I swear, sometimes it's like watching monkeys
rubbing sticks together trying to make fire. Or otters banging rocks. I
like that metaphor, too.

Just my 2c, let's not get into an argument over this.

Al ....

What sort of development stuff do you use ?

The only computer language that I haven't seen available in Linux
that MS has is Visual Basic ....


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Dave ....

There is no doubt that Windows currently controls more than
the Lion's share of the OS market ....

However, with the Debian Linux repositories freely providing
over 15,000 packages I don't find it restrictive at all
with regard to the availability of software ....

At sometime in the past there may have been
a heck of a lot more software out there for Windows
than there is for 'nix, but I personally would find
that very difficult to believe at this point in time ....

For me finding and installing software under Debian Linux
is much easier than in Windows as I can install directly
from the repositories without having to go out on the net
and search for 3rd party applications that MS doesn't provide ....

The package managers for Debian Linux and other Debian-based
distributions seem to me to be almost a user's dream ....

Need a browser ?

apt-get install mozilla-firefox

Need an email client ?

apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird

Need an image editor ?

apt-get install gimp

apt-get install imagemagick

Need a data base manager ?

apt-get install mysql-server

Need a compiler ?

apt-get install gcc

Need a music player ?

apt-get install xmms

Need some ham radio applications ?

apt-cache search ham radio

apt-get install .... the ones you like ....


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Cousin Stanley <cousinstanley@hotmail.com> wrote in
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<snip apps>


So, I've got a linux app installed - I know my winmodem won't work; I even
bought an external dialup once, and I expect I could make that go, but I
need broadband.

What do I need? Where do I get it? How much?

I'm not considering changing immediately, but I need to address these
questions before I get serious.

I can't go to the shop and ask; they don't speak linux, so I google.

I find router/modems, wireless or otherwise,
i don't think I find a plain modem, would that need a separate router, and
is that why they're usually combined.

WTH _is_ a router? I never needed one _before_.

Prices from 25 ish to 125 ish quid, but all mail order, so how do I know
I'm buying the right thing; I don't want to spend my life sending stuff
back.

Try a forum? All the questions seem to be far more teckernickel than just
what minimum bits do I need for a minimum effective connection.

Try a linux ng? not bloody likely - BTDT got the scorch marks!

Thank gawd for 98

mike

mike wrote:

FWIW, I know for a fact that Suse Linux works with the Alcatel Thomson
Speedtouch 330 USB modem
(http://www.dsl-warehouse.co.uk/product.asp?pr=ST330).
Having said that, I would install it in Windows first and get happy
with it before attempting a linux installation.


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casioculture wrote:
It doesn't have to be an either/or proposition. I've become quite
enamored with Linux, yet W2K remains my default. With a little bit of
hard drive space, you can be running a multiboot machine in no time. If
I were starting fresh today, one of the Linux distros that I currently
boot to would be my main OS.

Proficient Windows users are the hardest nuts to crack -- nobody wants
to be a newb again. There is a learning curve involved with Linux, just
as there is a learning curve involved with Windows. Doesn't make one
superior to the other. Mastering both *does* give you more options.

--
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mike <mike.ring@btinternet.com> wrote in
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Router: Network device coupling tweo networks with different IP's; since
routers are network devices, you need a NIC (Network Interface Card) to
be able to use one (that shouldn't be to difficult in *nix); most (if not
all modern broadband ones)can be accessed through your browser (RTFM
before you yell yours can't be... ;-) ), and can be setup through tht
channel.

Your system will get a local IP (10.#.#.#; 168.#.#.#; or 192.#.#.#)
address from the router, the router holds the external address which it
would get from your ISP.

Depends on the type of broadband (xDSL, Cable), and I've seen a Linksys
which can handle both. The best way is to inform yourself, call them (1-
800-???) and ask questions:

1. Is it a real router? (multi-pc devices are always routers, they will
have to provide different IP's for the connected computers; a modem can't
do this, it just translates the signals; like the acronym says!)

2. Can it handle ..... (xDSL or Cable, pick your choice)

3. Can I access it through my browser / telnet

4. Does it have a hardware firewall (the real routers do, although their
users hardly know about it, and you won't find a single letter about it
in the manual!)

The one at DSLreports is quite good, they also have tests on line to see
whether everything (especially speed) is working the way it should.

Who scorched you, not us I hope?

or W2K <LOL>

--
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(IP)

In article <Xns9825C0A0F240Fmikeringbtinternetco@130.133.1.4> ,
mike.ring@btinternet.com says...
I'm changing myself slowly from XP to Ubuntu, so I'm absolutely no
expert in Linux. I work with a 'normal' modem, not a router.
Can't you try what's called a live-cd first? You can boot in Linux with
that cd and try out if your hardware works, without installing Linux.
You can download those cd's for free (most of them) or order them.
If the hardware works, until now I find Ubuntu much, much easier than I
ever found XP.

Regards
Peter

Al ....

What type of development stuff are you using ?

The only computer languages that I know of that MicroSoft has
that aren't available in Linux are Visual Basic / VBScript ....


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