On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:36:18 +0100 'Franklin'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

As usual Franklin Jekyll, you're being disingenuous.

The debate was about the NEWSSERVER Shared-Secrets, and YOU
claimed it was NOT working, even though YOU had used it 4 days
earlier yourself to post some of your regular slime.

Now you are slipping and squirming and trying to change the debate
onto the WEBSITE to hide the fact that you lied to other posters
previously.


Franklin's recent post through Shared-Secrets:
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Newsgroups: uk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: mainly for haracari
From: Franklin <never.s@w.sight.of.it>
References: <gnl754pi7bqpjvbj1ssrr3n2i984g9t373@4ax.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:27:02 +0100
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ACF poster to Franklin 21/Jun/2008:
"And you believe you're somehow "better"...with your
incessant puerility and craven cowardice when someone
shines a light on your own incompetence?"

ACF poster to Franklin 24/Jun/2008:
"You're the one nuzzling a net kook's nutsack just to try
and win back some of the ground you pissed away with your
4th grade caliber "wit".
You're not funny. You're not clever. You're just pathetic.
Now go finish off your idol Ari, brush your teeth, and go to bed.

ACF poster to Franklin 29/Jun/2008:
You're such a pathetic cunt who gets its head handed to it so much,
that you're left with nothing but burying your nose in a common
troll's ass just to try and convince yourself you have a friend.

ACF poster to Franklin 29/Jun/2008:
What misguided stretch of your fevered imagination is it that lead
you to believe ANYONE wants to be your friend? You're a moron. The
only animal that can even stand to be around you for more than 17
seconds is another moron. And even then once you're done with the
traditional moron greeting of drooling all over each other the
relationship is over. As soon as one of you looks away it's too
stupid to remember where the other one is, and wanders off.

On Mon 30 Jun 2008 09:56:21, hummingbird wrote:

Chris (Hummingbird or Aracari),

I suspect anyone in ALT.COMP.FREEWARE who has read your posts for
more than a few months has leaned enough to know how you set out to
damage the group because posters would not agree to distance
themselves from the Pricelessware web site.

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org

You seem to feel your extreme and exaggerated accusations of
individuals is a normal way to behave. Below are some quotations of
how you personally view such destructive exaggeration as actually
being acceptable!

To me (and no doubt many others in ACF) your wild accusations and
false claims have made you into the 'Boy Who Cried Wolf'. Whenever
your wilder claims have been looked into, it turned out there was
nothing of any substance.

Indeed, often what is discovered is your own hypocrisy because many
times it has been found that you have covertly been engaging in far
more behaviors than anyone else in which you do the very thing you
complained about so loudly!.

I'm sure you will understand if I say that I don't intend to waste
time arguing with underhand purposeful exaggerations nor to get
involved in exposing yet more hypocrisy.

The Jeckyl and Hyde you now fondly like to mention is, of course,
yourself. You behave like that and your style of argument is such
that you now accuse others of what you are like.

Franklin


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"I am not aware of those specific allegations but
BEAR IN MIND THAT IT'S OFTEN NECESSARY TO EXAGGERATE A POINT IN
ORDER TO MAKE IT."

[ from http://preview.tinyurl.com/3paqxs in uk.politics.misc ]

-------

"thankyou for that definition of dB science.
I ADMIT THAT I OFTEN EXAGGERATE TO MAKE A POINT."

[ from http://preview.tinyurl.com/45regq in uk.politics.misc ]

-------

"INDEED. ONE HAS TO SOMETIMES EXAGGERATE TO MAKE A POINT."

[ from http://preview.tinyurl.com/4e7ksj in uk.politics.guns ]

Franklin wrote:

....yet another useless post in the attempt to prolong the infighting
within ACF.

It would be nice if you and hummingbird could get a pit somewhere else
to work out your differences and leave the rest of us alone.

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:54:23 +0100 'Franklin'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

[ukpm group deleted from distribution]

[Franklin Jekyll slime binned unread]




Franklin Jekyll, this is the part of my post you snipped:

<quote>
As usual Franklin Jekyll, you're being disingenuous.

The debate was about the NEWSSERVER Shared-Secrets, and YOU
claimed it was NOT working, even though YOU had used it 4 days
earlier yourself to post some of your regular slime.

Now you are slipping and squirming and trying to change the debate
onto the WEBSITE to hide the fact that you lied to other posters
previously.


Franklin's recent post through Shared-Secrets:
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Newsgroups: uk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: mainly for haracari
From: Franklin <never.s@w.sight.of.it>
References: <gnl754pi7bqpjvbj1ssrr3n2i984g9t373@4ax.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:27:02 +0100
Message-ID: <Xns9AC62D465FE458D91A@127.0.0.1>
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</quote>

Read what others say to you Franklin:


--
ACF poster to Franklin 21/Jun/2008:
"And you believe you're somehow "better"...with your
incessant puerility and craven cowardice when someone
shines a light on your own incompetence?"

ACF poster to Franklin 24/Jun/2008:
"You're the one nuzzling a net kook's nutsack just to try
and win back some of the ground you pissed away with your
4th grade caliber "wit".
You're not funny. You're not clever. You're just pathetic.
Now go finish off your idol Ari, brush your teeth, and go to bed.

ACF poster to Franklin 29/Jun/2008:
You're such a pathetic cunt who gets its head handed to it so much,
that you're left with nothing but burying your nose in a common
troll's ass just to try and convince yourself you have a friend.

ACF poster to Franklin 29/Jun/2008:
What misguided stretch of your fevered imagination is it that lead
you to believe ANYONE wants to be your friend? You're a moron. The
only animal that can even stand to be around you for more than 17
seconds is another moron. And even then once you're done with the
traditional moron greeting of drooling all over each other the
relationship is over. As soon as one of you looks away it's too
stupid to remember where the other one is, and wanders off.

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:09:35 +0000 (UTC) 'badgolferman'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

badgolferman, Your observations are inaccurate.
Franklin started his evil campaign 12+ months ago, but all I
see from you is occasional whining, as if it's 50/50. Wrong!

I haven't seen any ideas from you on how to bring his puerile,
psychopathic behaviour to an end. I've tried pretty much all
there is. New ideas welcome.

I've already told him that if he stops his mad behaviour,
he'll have no further problems from me.

His response? "My posts will always be here" ... "You cannot
control what I post" ... "Why are you trying to control what
I post" ...and other assorted sickly slime.


Meanwhile, read a small sample of what others have said
to Franklin in recent days:


--
ACF poster to Franklin 21/Jun/2008:
"And you believe you're somehow "better"...with your
incessant puerility and craven cowardice when someone
shines a light on your own incompetence?"

ACF poster to Franklin 24/Jun/2008:
"You're the one nuzzling a net kook's nutsack just to try
and win back some of the ground you pissed away with your
4th grade caliber "wit".
You're not funny. You're not clever. You're just pathetic.
Now go finish off your idol Ari, brush your teeth, and go to bed.

ACF poster to Franklin 29/Jun/2008:
You're such a pathetic cunt who gets its head handed to it so much,
that you're left with nothing but burying your nose in a common
troll's ass just to try and convince yourself you have a friend.

ACF poster to Franklin 29/Jun/2008:
What misguided stretch of your fevered imagination is it that lead
you to believe ANYONE wants to be your friend? You're a moron. The
only animal that can even stand to be around you for more than 17
seconds is another moron. And even then once you're done with the
traditional moron greeting of drooling all over each other the
relationship is over. As soon as one of you looks away it's too
stupid to remember where the other one is, and wanders off.

hummingbird, 6/30/2008,4:55:20 PM, wrote:

Who are you trying to fool? You are just as guilty as Franklin and
obviously love the bantering. If you wanted it to stop it would take
absolutely no action on your part.

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:04:57 +0000 (UTC) 'badgolferman'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

100% rubbish.

ROTFL. OK Mr Wise Guy: ..............HOW?

I'm all ears, but you haven't made any suggestions so far.


--
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

hummingbird, 6/30/2008,5:47:07 PM, wrote:

Stop replying. See how simple it is? But of course there's no way you
could since he knows every button of yours to push and you gladly allow
him to have so much control over you.

You two feed off each other like Abbot and Costello. You're so good as
a team but individually are lost without each other. Henceforth I
shall think of you two as partners, Franklin and hummingbird or
hummingbird and Franklin. Hmmm, which one should get top billing...?

--
"The Bible tells us to love our neighbors and also to love our enemies;
probably because generally they are the same people." ~ G. K. Chesterton

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 01:51:56 +0000 (UTC) 'badgolferman'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:




I don't know what planet you live on badgolferman, but it's
past time for you to wake up and breath some fresh oxygen...


Here's some Franklin background which you studiously ignore:

In the past 12-15 months since Franklin launched his
stalking/harassment campaign, at various times I have:

- completely ignored him
- killfiled him
- taken him on, to challenge his absurd defamations and
false allegations. some are too disgusting to let pass.
- attempted to give him some of his own medicine.

Whereas that might have caused YOU or I or most other people
to go away and find summat better to do, it has NO EFFECT
on Franklin whatsoever. He continues posting his lies and slime
whenever he becomes frenzied, and recently claimed: "it's fun".

There is a view that the more he is ignored, the more outrageous
he becomes.

When I recently challenged him about his disgusting behaviour,
he started a thread asking "are the insults really necessary"!
....as though he is the poor victim under attack! aaaaaaagh.

You don't know the half of what he gets up to.

Here's a tiny tiny sample...

This past week or so, he has been posting and crossposting slime
about me to several other newsgroups, including uk.politics.misc
and alt.free.newsservers, where he knows I occasionally post to.
(phlat_arse from AFN has posted on ACF to castigate him -
it will have no effect on Franklin)

Further, he posted to several threads on the uk politics group
where I was debating something with others, to address some nasty
comments about me to another poster. He even posted directly to
ME in that group to challenge my opinions about British politics!

Given that he could choose to post on any one of 50,000+ other
newsgroups, it is surely no coincidence he chose the newsgroup
that I was posting to and in the same threads. Right?

In fact he has posted about 6-8 times to that politics newsgroup
this past week, some were crossposts including ACF/AFN, others
were direct, so ACFers wouldn't normally know about them.

Further, when he posted to u.k.p.m, he has used these names
in addition to his usual name:

Chris S <default@default.invalid> (name of a poster on UKPM)
Franklin <hummingbird@aracari.com> (my handles on ACF/UKPM)

His tally of sockpuppets is now about 72 since summer 2007.
Those are the ones I know about.

Some of his slime is now posted using two alternative newsservers:
shared-secrets.com and WWWspace.net, whilst asserting elsewhere on
ACF that shared-secrets.com has closed down! (see another thread).

This behaviour is not new. He crossposted to RTA some months
ago to cause more disruption and got castigated by people there.
He ignored it and alleged the complainers were ME posting via
sockpuppets, yet the same people still post using the same names.

When Derald on ACF spanked him some months ago, Franklin claimed
that Derald was ME using another sockpuppet. Yet Derald still
posts on ACF.

I am more than willing to provide a long list of the MIDs referred
to above as irrefutable evidence of his behaviour. Even you could
not ignore the truth about Franklin's behaviour.


Q, why does he do all this???????????????


Your bizarre theory that I somehow enjoy Franklin's behaviour is
beyond ridiculous and points to you being out of touch with the
reality. Would you enjoy being stalked on Usenet for 12-15 months
and have endless lies and defamations posted about you, day after
day, week after week, month after month? I doubt it.

It has to be said that Franklin is a mighty coward, spewing out
his trash from behind a keyboard in the United States.

I am no psychologist, but I have observed his behaviour for many
months and noticed how ingratiatingly he phrases his slime to some
posters one minute, and posts evil lies about me the next. He
manages to fool many people most of the time. But the inescapable
conclusion I have come to is that he's a psychopath and is not new
to the game he's playing on ACF and across Usenet. I posted about
his professional stalker MO some months ago and I stand by that.
Stalkers are invariably psychopaths seeking control over their
victims or their destruction if they don't give in. They have no
conscience, no shame, no moral compass, no guilt and are usually
pathological liars, who cannot see themselves for what they are.

You can read up about psychopathic behaviour here:
http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm
....and elsewhere on Google. Plenty of informative stuff.

This small quote touches on Franklin fairly well:

<quote>
"Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no
feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting
sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even
family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one
in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful,
or immoral action you had taken.
And pretend that the concept of responsibility is unknown to you,
except as a burden others seem to accept without question, like
gullible fools.
Now add to this strange fantasy the ability to conceal from other
people that your psychological makeup is radically different from
theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal
among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free
is nearly effortless.
You are not held back from any of your desires by guilt or shame
....etc etc"
</quote>


Now badgolferman, wake up, take a deep breath and read what
a few other posters have said to Franklin in recent days:


--
ACF poster to Franklin 21/Jun/2008:
"And you believe you're somehow "better"...with your
incessant puerility and craven cowardice when someone
shines a light on your own incompetence?"

ACF poster to Franklin 24/Jun/2008:
"You're the one nuzzling a net kook's nutsack just to try
and win back some of the ground you pissed away with your
4th grade caliber "wit".
You're not funny. You're not clever. You're just pathetic.
Now go finish off your idol Ari, brush your teeth, and go to bed.

ACF poster to Franklin 29/Jun/2008:
You're such a pathetic cunt who gets its head handed to it so much,
that you're left with nothing but burying your nose in a common
troll's ass just to try and convince yourself you have a friend.

ACF poster to Franklin 29/Jun/2008:
What misguided stretch of your fevered imagination is it that lead
you to believe ANYONE wants to be your friend? You're a moron. The
only animal that can even stand to be around you for more than 17
seconds is another moron. And even then once you're done with the
traditional moron greeting of drooling all over each other the
relationship is over. As soon as one of you looks away it's too
stupid to remember where the other one is, and wanders off.

hummingbird wrote:

Good question. But also consider what positive effect is there for you
to continue playing his game?

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:30:59 +0000 (UTC) 'badgolferman'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

Indeed and I note that you have not produced ONE proposal
of how to deal with it, despite your frequent whining.

badgolferman,
if you understood ONE word of my previous post, you would
not be asking that foolish question.

Several days ago, I asked Franklin to (all provable):
His replies?:

"How bizarre. You need help."
"this is just an attempt to target me."
"My posts will still be here in the morning."
"Please take it easy. Calm down"
etc etc.

As I said previously, he sees his game as "fun" and
doesn't see what the problem is.


HAND


--
comments made to Franklin by a poster on ACF 23-Mar-2008:

"Franklin, once again you have outdone yourself with your malice and
mean-spiritedness. If you were to die today, is this how you would
want to be remembered? You are no longer speaking of an issue, you
are viciously and consciously trying to destroy someone.

No need to reply, btw. I know myself well enough to know that your
behavior makes me want to reply in kind, and I refuse to poison my
own soul because of the evil in yours.

'bye now. I won't be seeing you...."

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:30:59 +0000 (UTC) 'badgolferman'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

The *possible* positive effect is that it *might* have brought
him to his senses. But of course that wouldn't apply to a
psychopath who cannot see anything wrong with his behaviour
and has no conscience, shame or guilt.


--
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:30:59 -0500, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

My two cents is I agree with holeinone on this one Hummer...ignore him.

--
Bear Bottoms
Freeware website: http://bearware.info

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:58:23 -0500 'Bear Bottoms'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

Doesn't work.


--
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

hummingbird wrote:

It also doesn't work if you do battle him. Save yourself some
aggravation and time by not replying. Unfortunately I don't think you
are capable of ignoring him since he's got you wrapped up in a knot so
tight you ping everytime he posts.

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:34:08 -0500, hummingbird <hummingbird@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

Nothing can /make/ him stop.

All you can do by replying is add to it, and give him satisfaction.

Only a few /scourgers/ give him any heed.

Ignore him...what, you're gonna hunt down and kill him? What he says is
unimportant and childish.


--
Bear Bottoms
Freeware website: http://bearware.info

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:39:31 +0000 (UTC) 'badgolferman'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

As I explained previously, I ignored him for a long time. Then
I killfiled him for an even longer time. Then he began using
sockpuppets to wriggle round my filters, so I added sophisticated
filters to block him and all replies to his posts. Then he started
posting and crossposting to other newsgroups that I occasionally
post on, including a British politics newsgroup, where I have some
very serious debates with decent informed people.

Franklin is playing a psychopatic "fun" game attacking me and,
to a lesser extent, BB.

Think about all that for a few moments badgolferman...then place
yourself in my boots and ask yourself: how are you going to have
a productive/enjoyable time on Usenet with that noise going on?

....and stop blaming me for Franklin's behaviour.


--
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 08:12:51 -0500, hummingbird <hummingbird@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

If I entertained him like you do...he would be doing the same amount to me
he does to you. I see his name and hit the delete key.

Simple as that. He is not worth any effort. Any respectable person would
see him for what he is...a scourger...a true scourge of Usenet.

--
Bear Bottoms
Freeware website: http://bearware.info

hummingbird wrote:


Just keep on doing what you're doing and you will continue to get what
you're getting.

Now whether you want what you're getting is the question...

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:43:42 -0500 'Bear Bottoms'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:


BB,
I understand your comments but things are far worse than that.
we are not talking here about sniping, rows or flame wars but of
systematic and carefully designed stalking to cause disruption
and character assassination (that's how Anne described it).


Imagine this scenario:

1.you post on ACF and get endless agro from Franklin day after
day, week after week, month after month. he tries to make your
life a bloody misery. you do your best to ignore him but realise
that he's got his teeth into you and wont let go. you keep trying
different ways to shake him off and you even offer him peace if
he starts behaving. he rejects that offer by twisting it into an
allegation that you're trying to exercise control over what he
posts, reminding you that he doesn't need your permission to post
on Usenet. .........and so it goes on.

2.meanwhile, you get some peace away from him by having
interesting debates on another newsgroup with politically informed
people. perhaps it's a British politics newsgroup or whatever.

3.suddenly one day ... and without warning ... Franklin discovers
which group that is and what posting name you use. he then spreads
his filth across Usenet by posting new threads on that group about
you and replying to YOUR posts and also to others debating with
you, using the most ingratiating slimy style to imply sincerity,
but with a clear underlying gameplan of diverting the debate onto
personalities and of smearing your name among those people, by
posting lies and defamations about you, as he does on ACF.


That's a potted summary of what Franklin is doing.

What do you do about it?

I question anyone to simply say "ignore him".
Dogs with their teeth in you are very difficult to ignore!!
Franklin knows all that. He's a psychopath with an agenda.

I don't know what the solution is....nor does badgolferman.


--
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
(Arthur Schopenhauer)