http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/200...Procedures.php

"Removal Procedures"
"Programs are removed from the Pricelessware List. if they do not meet
the eligibility requirements. If it is learned that the program's ware
type is ineligible or it becomes ineligible the program is removed from
the Pricelessware List.. If a program becomes shareware and a "last
Freeware version" is not available for download the program is removed
from the Pricelessware List. If a program is not available for download
the program is removed from the Pricelessware List."

Two programs appear to be candidates for removal from the Pricelessware
List, the Google Toolbar and Ragtime Solo.

Can anyone furnish the information that's needed to keep these programs
on the list? If not I will remove them.

------------

Google Toolbar
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/200...ET.php#0324-PW

I have not been able to find the current stable version of the Google
Toolbar for Firefox. I have not been able to find file names or file
sizes or download links for *installation* files for the Google Toolbar.


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Ragtime Solo (v 5.6.5)
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/200...ME.php#0612-PW

As far as I know no one has made a COMPLETE download of Ragtime Solo
using the link that's shown on the PL page. AFAIK no other download link
is available.

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"Susan Bugher" <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:50qu5aF1hn2lmU1@mid.individual.net...
couldn't get ff , only have firefox in a virtual machine to play with

I got
2k/xp dl/s Google Updater.exe 723k
also
IE
http://toolbar.google.com/T4/?rd=f
System requirements:
.. Windows Vista/2000/XP
.. Internet Explorer 6.0+
GoogleToolbarInstaller.exe 1114kb

IE me/98
http://toolbar.google.com/download?hl=en
IE98ME\GoogleToolbarInstaller.exe 569k
but noted there was something about the license, and the feel was
they really wanted you to get it straight from them
( some things really expect broadband , if you have it you don't need the cd
,
if you don't you can't really use what they provide )


O:\pl2007cd assembly\files\R\RagTimeSolo\RagTime_Solo_565_en.e xe
32924KB 32.1 MB (33,714,146 bytes)
haven't installed but installer unpacks to id prompt as Version 5.6.5
English okay

the update page appears to bet _to_ 5.65 from 5.5
75 meg didn't get it, just the 565 exe

"Terry Russell" <trochilus@RoEpMtOuVsEnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:45a86748$0$21086$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
got
Patch for RagTime 5.6.5 Windows for Hyperthreading-Computers
O:\pl2007cd assembly\files\R\RagTimeSolo\HTBlocker.exe 613KB 612 KB (626,907
bytes)

installed 5.6.5

license
Use of the Software is only permitted for private individuals after proper
registration of the user. Commercial use of this Software is prohibited.
(a) Right to Install and Use
You may install and use the Software on the hard disk drive of any single
compatible computer that you own. However, you may not under any
circumstances use the Software onto the hard drives of two or more computers
at the same time.

attempts to connect everytime when run (thrice)
has splash screen 'ragtime solo may not be used commercially [deny]
[accept]"
regpage idents platform, country

"Mark" <mark65512kram@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9aigq2pb2p010lhmer4rdhlvt8gc72pph4@4ax.com...
Joined just fine using my free version of WinRar. I did have to rename
RagtimeSolo.z01.zip to RagtimeSolo.z01. Anyone have a totally free
unzipper? If so, rename that file, then extract and join starting with
RagtimeSolo.zip. That might solve the problem.

On 13.01.2007 03:24 Susan Bugher wrote:

Here:
http://users.pandora.be/erlandvo/Rag...olo_565_en.exe

I have no intentions on removing it (although I did say otherwise once
upon a time...) :-)

If I change the download location later, I'll notify a.c.f. and
pricelesswarehome.org.

regards from vegard

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http://vegard2.no -
Solitaire MahJongg guide, Sarah Michelle Gellar Solitaire,
Freeware Logo & symbol, Halma & Chinese Checkers,
Pachisi & Ludo, Freeware Solitaire, My fishy site (fishing
games), a.c.f.g information, Fredrikshald Havfiskeklubb
18+ sites: Firefoxy, Adult Solitaire, Fishy Pictures,
Sexy Chess, Sexy Librarians, Sexy Football
---------------------------------------------------------

I did get the program several months ago and installed it. AFAIK it is
ok. It does give the "no commercial use" warning, but then goes ahead
and cooperates. It does ask to send a UDP datagram to
265.265.265.265.......I wasn't sure what that was, so I said 'no'.
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Petersen, Vegard Krog wrote:
<snip>

If a program is not available for
Thank you Vegard. There used to be MANY files available for
download - I doubt we'll be able to find more than a fraction of them. I
did find the French version. If we can't find all those files the PL2007
description will have to be revised -> add a whole lot of "no available
download" notes in the "OS" and "languages" parts of the description
which currently read:

<q>
Windows OS: Windows
Other OS: Mac OS X; Mac OS 8/9.
Languages: English; German; French; Dutch
</q>

This Wayback Machine web page shows the files but not the file names:

<http://web.archive.org/web/20040812093430/http://www.ragtime-online.com/Content/download_rts_program/index.html>

a brief summary of the files that are needed for a "complete set":

Windows - Version 5.6.5
RagTime Solo for Windows (35 MB)

English;
RagTime_Solo_5.6.5_en.exe
http://users.pandora.be/erlandvo/Rag...olo_565_en.exe

German;
RagTime_Solo_5.6.5_deCH.exe

French;
RagTime_Solo_5.6.5_fr.exe

http://www.netfox2.net/Telechpage/Lo...gTime_Solo.php
http://netfox2c.free.fr/Telechar/pc/...o_5.6.5_fr.exe
36100 KB

Dutch
RagTime_Solo_5.6.5_nl.exe

------------

manuals in PDF format
English; German; French; Dutch
file names?

----------

Mac OS X - Version 5.6.4
RagTime Solo for Mac OS X (43 MB)
English; German; French; Dutch
file names?

---------

Mac OS 8/9 - Version 5.6.1
RagTime Solo for Macintosh (50 MB)
Update RagTime Solo 5.6.1 --> 5.6.2
English; German; French; Dutch
file names?

If we can't find all those files the PL2007 description will have to be
revised -> add a whole lot of notes saying (not available) in the "OS"
and "languages" parts of the description which currently say:

Windows OS: Windows
Other OS: Mac OS X; Mac OS 8/9.
Languages: English; German; French; Dutch

--------------

The program descriptions are in HTML "snippet" files -> we can show as
many links as we like in the PL2007 descriptions - if we can find them. . .

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Mark wrote:
Yahbut. . . that's an older version - not v 5.6.5

Downloads » Windows » Office
RagTime Solo versie 5.6
RagTime_Solo_562_nl.exe
(39470 kB)

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Terry Russell wrote:

<SNIP> If a program is not available for download the program

erm. . . none of that information is helpful.

This is the information that's NEEDED for the Firefox and IE versions of
the Google Toolbar:

version (and the URL where you found the info):
release date (and the URL where you found the info):
file name (and the URL where you found the info):
file size (and the URL where you found the info):
download link (and the URL where you found the info):

The download link should allow people to download the Firefox file with
IE and vice versa - some links redirect and offer the wrong file or
won't let people download the file. The file should be complete -> no
additional downloading required to install the program.

I'm not real hopeful after spending several fruitless hours yesterday
searching. . . ISTM the Google Toolbar is more like Webware than
Freeware - especially since it has those automatic updates that can't be
turned off. . .

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Susan Bugher wrote:

Make that three. ePrompter is the latest candidate.
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/200...ET.php#0903-PW

ePrompter has an auto-updater. In another thread ([PL] ePrompter help
needed) I asked if there was a way to disable that "feature". To date no
one has posted a way to disable the auto-updater and two people have
said it can't be done.

"Programs are removed from the Pricelessware List if they do not meet
the eligibility requirements."

An app with an auto-updater that can't be disabled is NOT Freeware per
the ACF definition: "Legally obtainable software that you may use at no
cost, monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish" (
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php ) because you
CANNOT use it "for as long as you wish". At best you can use the LATEST
VERSION of the software - which may be quite different from the version
you downloaded.

This issue coulda/shoulda been raised during the Pricelessware selection
process -> the program could have been placed on the PL2007 Ware Ballot.
I'm still hoping for miracles but if a solution to the auto-update
problem is not posted in the near future the app will be removed from
the 2007 Pricelessware List.

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On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:35:46 -0500, Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com>
wrote:

This issue will be decided by the group.

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Bill Day wrote:

Thank you for the feedback Bill. It looks like we now have *3* links for
the English version - with Vegard's being the best/ easier to show on
the web page.

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Susan Bugher wrote:
******** OLD BUSINESS *********

The Google Toolbar and ePrompter have been removed.
RagTime Solo stays (the description now has a good download link).

******** NEW BUSINESS *********

SoftCAT and ZoneAlarm are the next candidates for removal.

<q>
From: Susan Bugher <sebug...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [PL] PL2007 Discussion: SoftCAT
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 11:08:41 -0500

Another one that's about ready to bite the dust?
</q>

SoftCAT is now shareware.

Is there a last freeware version?

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I've read that the current version of ZoneAlarm is Nagware.

Is there any evidence that it is not?

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Susan Bugher wrote:

I'm still wondering. . .
haven't had time to do any checking. . .

It occurs to me that maybe NONE of the 28 people who voted for ZA are
willing to install the latest bloated version. IOW - I may never
get an answer. . .

Would people please give me some input -> pick one of these options

1. continue to show the most recent version of ZA (we would need make
sure it is NOT Nagware)
2. show an older version

If sentiment is clearly in favor of an older version, we can stop
worrying about the Nagware issue and start discussing WHICH older
version should be shown.

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Rodney Reason wrote:
Why am I not surprized?

Thanks Rodney. An older version is my choice too.

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dunno if we're going to find the last free version of SoftCAT (I just
did a tiny bit of scouting) - AFAIK this is what we're looking for:

v 2.10 (2005-11-29)
softcat_setup.exe
4788 KB 4.67 MB (4,902,283 bytes)

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In <news:51qeqqF1lfgr4U1@mid.individual.net>,
Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:

Isn't version 2.10, apparently still on the site, the last known
freeware version?

The download links are

<http://www.fnprg.com/softcat/dl/softcat_v2_setup.exe> and

<http://www.fnprg.net/softcat/dl/softcat_setup.exe>

The two files have the same md5 and sha1sums, so I guess they are both
2.10.

»Q« wrote:
I'm not ***100*** percent sure about that. IIRC the free vs. paid page
disappeared - replaced by a "coming soon" note. . . so *mostly* what
remained was "free trial" notices. . .

This seems to be the most recent set the Wayback Machine has:
http://web.archive.org/web/200605160...www.fnprg.com/
http://web.archive.org/web/200605300...plus/info.html
http://web.archive.org/web/200605300.../download.html
This is the page that went missing:
http://web.archive.org/web/200605201...reevsplus.html

It seems to be the same file: the size matches the file I downloaded on
11/3/2006.

v 2.10
http://www.fnprg.com/softcat/dl/softcat_setup.exe
4788 KB 4.67 MB (4,902,283 bytes)

I started checking a little while ago. . .

http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail...T/1010794491/1
SoftCAT 2.10.00
License: Freeware
File Size: 4,787 KB
http://fileforum.betanews.com/downlo...T/1010794491/1
redirects to:
http://www.fnprg.com/softcat/dl/softcat_setup.exe *NOT FOUND

The file was moved from .com to .net and the copy that stayed was
renamed. IMO that does not bode well for the future. I'd be a lot
happier if we could find an off-site repository that has the file -
dunno what the EULA for this version says but I IIRC free distribution
was NOT allowed in years past.

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Susan Bugher bracht volgend idee uit :
To find out about the nagware, I installed version 7.0.302
of ZAPro on a standalone computer.

During installation there was an option to choose for:
- Trial ZoneAlarm Security Suite (15 days trial)
- No Thanks (= no trial)

I chose for the "No Thanks" option after which
the usual installation of ZAFree proceeded.
After the installation I did several restarts of the PC.

No further nagging could be observed.
The picture of ZoneAlarm in the Taskbar has changed,
as shown on the website of ZoneLabs.

After 4 of 5 restarts without problems, I did a
"clean" uninstallation of ZoneAlarm (Free).
I finally removed one folder of Zone Labs from the Program Files
and that completed the removal of ZAFree from the PC.



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FredW wrote:
Thank you.

I'll show the current version on PL2007.

That's subject to change IF the group wants to make a change due to the
bloatware that's been added. 28 people voted for the current version
(per the program's description during the selection process). ISTM at
least 15 people need to express a preference for changing to an older
version to warrant making a change. To date only 3 people have done that.

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Susan Bugher wrote:
Program: SoftCAT

One down already (it lasted about a week), one to go. . .

<http://www.fnprg.com/softcat/dl/softcat_v2_setup.exe>
<http://www.fnprg.net/softcat/dl/softcat_setup.exe> *DEAD

It sure would be nice to have another link. Anyone?

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