Bear Bottoms, 4/19/2008,7:07:26 AM, wrote:

I tried sending it through Opera but couldn't figure out the confounded
interface. I did subscribe to the newsgroup but couldn't find how to
download headers and reply to anything. What an unintuitive program!

I copied and pasted what you sent me but it didn't make it through on
the Cox server. I will try on ReadFreeNews next.

This is a test.

Anti-Malware Test Lab and AV-Comparatives.org announce alliance
Tue, 03/25/2008 - 08:13 - Sergey Ilyin

http://www.anti-malware-test.com/

The renowned test labs Anti-Malware Test Lab and AV-Comparatives.org
have agreed to establish a strategic partnership.

The alliance will allow the partners to become one of the most
respected sources of objective and independent information about
antivirus products and strengthen their position in the industry. It
will also give independent tests and expert analyses more weight.

Test Results Overview:
Polymorphic virus protection test: Avira Antivir Personal Edition
Classic 7.06 (Freeware)

http://www.free-av.com/en/products/1...l__free_antivi
rus.html
Proactive antivirus protection test: Avira AntiVir Personal Edition
Premium 7.0 (Payware)
No Freeware in the running
Antivirus product self-protection test: Kaspersky Internet Security 7.0
No Freeware in the running
Active infections treatment test: Dr.Web Anti-Virus 4.44 Beta
AVG low but in there http://free.grisoft.com/doc/5390/
Anti-rootkit test: Rootkit Unhooker 3.7 (shareware)
Freeware: GMER http://www.gmer.net/files.php (almost tied)
Packers support test: Kaspersky Anti-Virus 6.0
Freeware: failed the tests.

Relatively current information.

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:17:15 -0400 'badgolferman'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

That's progress ... at least we now know Cox aren't using a boolean
filter to dump some of BB's posts!



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badgolferman, 4/19/2008,8:17:15 AM, wrote:

I will reply to my own post via the Cox server.

The test went through on the ReadFreeNews server. I am able to see the
post in this thread with the subject line of Anti-Malware Test Labs on
that server. I cannot see it on the Cox server. Interestingly enough
I can see the original post from the the invalid guy with the same
title on the Cox server.

It seems like Cox is preventing the posting and viewing of the
characters you sent me. I'm going to blame it on Opera since that
seems to be the common problem.

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:17:15 -0500, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Once you have the newsgroup subscribed, you can just double-click on it.
Right click on it to get to it's properties. Set it all up in the
Tools/Mail & Chat. It is rather easy.
Dat's weird eh. Something in the body, Cox's newserver doesn't like.



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Freeware Website http://bearware.info

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:29:00 -0500, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Can't blame it on Opera because I used Gravity also...same thing. I'm sure
it is Cox's newserver dropping it for some reason.



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Freeware Website http://bearware.info

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:18:16 -0400 'badgolferman'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

The hyphen in this post between the time and author's name doesn't
look to be the same hyphen used on the webpage. Did you change it
prior to posting on RFN? ... or maybe Opera did?


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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:26:47 -0500, hummingbird <hummingbird@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

That was never a consideration. It has to be some generic reason Cox's
servers are dropping the post.

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Freeware Website http://bearware.info

hummingbird, 4/19/2008,8:52:00 AM, wrote:

Obviously Opera did. I merely copied and posted what Bear sent me. I
don't see the character you mention but Corliss said something about it
earlier also.

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:18:36 -0500, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

I copied from the website and pasted it to SEO note. I copied from SEOnote
to email. Opera was out of the picture. It has nothing to do with Opera
holeinone. LOL.

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Freeware Website http://bearware.info

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:49:22 -0500, Bear Bottoms wrote:

[UTF-8 formatted text]
The post of badgolferman, which came through ReadFreeNews, was encoded
as iso-8859-15, while it should be UTF-8 after a simple copy/paste
from the website or your mail. The em-dash in question had been changed
to a simple dash. Maybe ReadFreeNews replaces non-conforming characters
by near variants while Cox just drops the postings.

You really should check the encoding before sending this special post.
It should be UTF-8 with the encoded em-dash. If you try sending it with
the 40tude dialog newsreader, you could switch on an advanced logging
function to get error messages from the program and the server. This
way you should be able to isolate the source of the error.

If this doesn't work, you should consider my suggestion to mail the
saved and zipped posting to Cox support for investigation.

BeAr
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:51:59 -0500, B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
<br.ederson@expires-2008-04-30.arcornews.de> wrote:

The encoding used by Opera varies. This post = us-ascii. The post I made
from the copy past was iso-8859-15. I'm not sure if Cox's newserver has
any encoding rules which is outsourced to Highwinds and capped to 500kbps
per connection.

There is nothing I can find here about the issue
http://documentation.highwinds-software.com/faq/#9.1

or here: http://www.newsgroupservers.net/

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:18:36 -0400 'badgolferman'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:



Badgolferman/BB,
I believe that BeAr and I were right in saying that the root of the
problem appears to have been a character mis-translation between
the webpage, Opera and the Cox newserver. Since the characters
involved were in the body of the article BB posted, it tells us that
Cox are probably running a body scan of all articles it receives.

I therefore think a second action might be in play here...

I know there are some news servers in the world which scan the
bodies of incoming articles* for inappropriate or offensive language
against a dictionary of unacceptable terms. If an article fails this
scan, it is quietly dropped. The sort of stuff I'm referring to are
words or phrases relating to pedophilia, child abuse, pornography,
spam, racism and anti-semitism etc. (That is one reason why some
people on some newsgroups spell the word 'jew' as 'joo' in their
posts to by-pass server scan filters.) We also know that spammers
deliberately mis-spell words to fool spam-scan filters.

If the scan filters are rudimentary or maybe set up wrongly, it can
also quietly dump an article which contains words which it doesn't
recognise. This would be the case in BB's original post, where the
strange hypen character on the webpage was converted to 3 x 8bit
characters on usenet, as John Corliss and myself identified earlier.
To a simple scan filter, that could look like a bad word.

Thus, a pertinent question to ask Cox is whether their servers scan
incoming news articles. Of course, they might play dumb or deny it
even if it were true. I wonder who owns Cox...

*(it is well known that AIOE scan the bodies of all incoming posts
to produce an MD5 hash of the article, although they do this to
prevent spammers multi-posting their same old same old slime.)


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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:13:30 -0500, Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1@gmai.com>
wrote:

what the default setting in Opera is, though it can be changed to anything
you want in the Preferences/General tab/Language-Details.

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Freeware Website http://bearware.info

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:49:41 -0500 'Bear Bottoms'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:


What did you use to copy/paste it from the website?


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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:18:33 -0500, hummingbird <hummingbird@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

I think the culprit is the long dash...but I am still testing. I changed
the default encoding in Opera to UTF8 and reposted the message. I also
posted the message with the dash in question deleted. Let's see what
happens.

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Freeware Website http://bearware.info

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:27:29 -0500, hummingbird <hummingbird@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

Yes.

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:34:01 -0500, Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1@gmai.com>
wrote:

LOL...I read too fast. Opera to view the page, highlight the material,
CTRL+C, CTRL+V to SEOnote.

I'll use IE7 and FF, go to the site, copy/paste it to Gravity...that will
take SEOnote and Opera out of the picture. The attempted posts will
contain the subject: Anti-Malware Test Labs IE7 and Anti-Malware Test Labs
FF. I will also post two posts with the dash in question deleted:
Anti-Malware Test Labs IE7nodash and Anti-Malware Test Labs FFnodash.

I will also make a post without the bottom summary I composed to eliminate
that from the mix...Anti-Malware Test Labs nosummary.

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:50:09 -0500 'Bear Bottoms'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

Eggszactly! So Opera was involved. I think BeAr mentioned yesterday
that Opera adds stuff to the clipboard about the charset to use etc.
Obviously users won't normally see that.


I'll check them out...

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:24:28 -0500, Bear Bottoms wrote:

More importantly, if you have the wrong encoding for a particular
message body, Opera asks to switch encoding to an appropriate one:

| These characters cannot be sent using your current settings.
| Do you wish to send this message as Unicode (UTF-8)?
| If you select [No], the characters below will be changed into
| question marks.

Therefore I wonder how you got Opera posting with wrong encoding.
Maybe at one time you selected to never be asked the above question
again? And maybe Opera doesn't execute neither <Yes> nor <No> as
default, but just doesn't send your message. If this is the case
Cox hasn't anything to do with it, at all. It would just be wrong
default behavior of Opera. - And an unwise decision of yours (to
not be asked on such an important matter), by the way... ;-)

As I can see, your message got through with UTF-8 selected. So
the above mentioned default action will probably be the cause
of your troubles.

BeAr
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