On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:48:13 -0500, Yrrah
<Yrrah_usenet-today@themailbox.ca> wrote:

Why are you copy/pasting?

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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:38:43 -0500, Yrrah
<Yrrah_usenet-today@themailbox.ca> wrote:

LOL...good for what it does...useless for most.

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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:44:56 -0500 'Bear Bottoms'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

only "quite good"? It's actually an excellent piece of software,
but has a learning curve to get the best out of it.


oh for the day of air conditioned sealed PC cabinets ;-)

Meanwhile I rely on SpeedFan...


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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:56:00 -0500, hummingbird <hummingbird@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

Overclocked? Souped up? By the time you see something significant...it's
too late. I mean what, your temp starts going up...your hard drive is
about to crash...I've had 30 or so computers and never once had a hard
drive failure. Sure it happens...you then get another one. What else are
you going to do...turn it off to reduce the temp? Rather useless for most.



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Bear Bottoms wrote:
It's sort of nice to have my CPU fan speed controlled, so I don't need
to hear a flat-out roaring fan all the time.

Also nice to know that I can hear an alarm and/or have my pc shut itself
down *before* my CPU smokes if a fan dies, or if temps or volts exceed
limits.

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:53:30 -0500, Beryl <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org>
wrote:

That has happened to you how many times?

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:53:30 -0500, Beryl <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org>
wrote:


Roaring? Actually the noise they make is rather benign. I would think that
constant speed changes would be more annoying. Besides, it is better for
the electronics if it runs as it was designed to do. As for a fan
failing...I would hope you would notice.

This is such a in-demand product, I'll just bet everyone is now rushing
out to get one, lest they bake their machines. More likely, it itself
would be the issue in the long run.



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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:10:04 -0500 'Bear Bottoms'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:


I have always had problems with my system fans. Each year I have to
strip them down and clean/lubricate them. What SpeedFan does is to
manage the various temps and adjust fan speeds accordingly. Now, my
CPU fan runs at 20% of max when idling and S/F speeds it up when I
do some CPU work. I have warnings pop-up if any temp rises above my
pre-set levels and this helps me to avoid disaster, like I had 3
years ago when my graphics card melted! Now, I can power off if
anything looks amiss before things get too hot, and investigate.

There's also the quietness I now get because of lower fan speeds.
For these reasons I wouldn't be without S/F.

Of course I realise that many other people don't have such problems,
especially those with laptops etc.


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On Wed 23 Apr 2008 03:10:04, Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1@gmai.com>
wrote:


Breathtaking!

Mr Bottoms, is that a genuine reply or are you trying to provoke a
slew of posts correcting you?

Sounds to me you're suggesting that you're very unfamiliar with
mobo's or storage drives.

(1) The name SpeedFan should give a hint about what this app does.

(2) Predictive errors via SMART gives time for data removal.

(3) High reported temps permit case reconfig of components or fans.

(4) RAID hard drives provide resilience and permit single failing
unit to be swapped out.

(5) Profile of load-versus-temp give info for mobo voltage and cycle
adjustments.

Hard to believe 30+ hard drives never had a single problem. U-shaped
failure curve suggests the drives may be second-user (and low
capacity).

Please tell me you were only joking and it was just a troll.

On Wed 23 Apr 2008 11:36:39, Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1@gmai.com>
wrote:

Mr Bottoms, of course fans can make a significant noise. Nowadays they
are more often high rpm and make even more noise than ever especially
as cpu temps are so high.

Component or case fan, one with sleeve bearings sound ok to start with
then get progressively a lot noisier. And I just won't believe all
your fans were Pabst or equivalent.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article63-page1.html


There's nothing in the design of a PC which prevents use of thermal
controls. Low revving large blade fans are anything but annoying.


If you don't yet have the knowledge or ability to use SpeedFan then
leave it to others. There's no need to disrespect it or its users.


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Franklin wrote:
I'll have to agree with Hummingbird and you on this one. I only wish
SpeedFan could report my HD's temp in addition to that of my CPUs. I'm
not sure where my problem lies in that regard--whether it has to do with
the capabilities of my HD, my mobo, or what--but SpeedFan can't
determine its temp.

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:06:36 -0700 'Kat Mandu'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

Franklin,
It was through S/F that I spotted a failing HDD on my system
some months back. The SMART tab showed some increasing errors
over a few days. That allowed me to run other diagnostic programs
to confirm a problem. I was able to xfer all the data elsewhere,
then rip the drive out and replace it with virtually no data loss.

Unnoticed, it would have probably failed irrecoverably.

Indeed. I have pop-up alarms in S/F set on the low side to give me
very early warnings about any unusual temps, having determined what
*usual* temps are by daily checking over a few days.

Kat,
sorry if you know this already ...but S/F can only report HDD temp
data if said drive supports SMART technology and supplies the data
on the SMART bus to the mobo, where S/F hooks into it. Without
that, you're out of luck.

You can check if your HDD supports SMART by hitting the SMART
tab in S/F and checking the Hard Disk drop down flap. If it's empty,
you're out of luck.

Both of my internal drives do that and I keep an eye on the temps
through S/F. In my case they're usually about 38C.


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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:14:31 +0100 'hummingbird'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

Another program which tells you whether your HDD supports SMART
is the free v2.55 of this: http://www.hdtune.com/


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On Wed 23 Apr 2008 17:14:31, hummingbird <hummingbird@127.0.0.1>
wrote:


Kat,

In addition to what Hummingbird has written, the situation is worsened
because SMART data is not standardized. Amazingly, this means
misreporting can occur or some SMART data is not reported.

Sometimes it's the fault of the HDD controller on the mobo (or on the
adapter card).

A different utility (such as DTEMP) may manage to pick up the temp but
that's not much consolation if you want to use SpeedFan.
DTEMP: http://private.peterlink.ru/tochinov/

Google shows a discussion going on about temps and HDD reliability over
in a storage newsgroup. http://preview.tinyurl.com/4xnj7r

F

hummingbird wrote:
My HD does support SMART and SpeedFan reports everything as "Very Good"
or "100%," but the data reported on does not include the HD temperature.

Franklin wrote:
SpeedFan reports my Western Digital Cavier SE SATA HD's SMART info
except for temperature. Since my mobo is Intel, I've also tried using
Intel's Desktop Utilities, which, like SpeedFan, failed to give a temp
for the HD. When I asked Intel about this, AIR they basically just said
that their DEsktop Utilities cannot determine HD temps. I have
encountered this same inability of either SpeedFan or Desktop Utilities
to determine the HD temp on a different PC with a different Intel mobo
and a WD ATA HD. These are SMART drives, but somehow temp info doesn't
get through to these applications.

Bear Bottoms wrote:
Most. Ever hear a 60mm Delta fan? My last PC had one of those miserable
6800rpm things.

But there are no constant speed changes. My CPU fan speed remains just
over 2700 rpm, until this loft gets cooking in the summer. Then it'll
run faster, and a bit louder, when CPU temp approaches 40*C.

It is running as it was designed to. Another advantage - less amps that
the motherboard's tiny copper traces need to carry.
BTW, I'm using AbitEQ, not SpeedFan. AbitEQ comes from Abit, who made my
motherboard.

What if I don't notice that a "rather benign" noise quit? The CPU can
burn in just a few seconds while I'm listening to The Beatles. And this
XP-M 2600+ is almost irreplaceable now.

More likely, 20/20 hindsight comes after an expensive lesson is learned.

Yrrah wrote:
Hmm. Seems not. Mine is a WDC 2500KS-00MJB0 250GB, whereas the list only
includes WDC 2500 250GB drives with the letters JD or PD (rather than
KS, like mine).

Yrrah wrote:
Oh, well.

Yrrah wrote:
Might look at that. Seems I even may have already tried it
once-upon-a-time. Any reason why you might prefer SpeedFan, if PCWizard
(also freeware) does the same and apparently more?