bloody SATA connectors (electrical)!

i've come across connection issues
with my (admittedly limited) use
of SATA drives, both data and power,
most recently power

what an aggrevation!

are others seeing this?

bill

Rita Ä Berkowitz <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote:
: willbill wrote:
:
:: bloody SATA connectors (electrical)!
::
:: i've come across connection issues
:: with my (admittedly limited) use
:: of SATA drives, both data and power,
:: most recently power
::
:: what an aggrevation!
::
:: are others seeing this?
:
: No, since I use SCSI with SCA connectors these problems are
: nonexistent. You get what you pay for. SATA drives are
: basically toys equivalent to what comes out of a gumball
: machine.

The usual pearls of wisdom from "Rita" the transexual. You are SUCH a
fucking lamer!

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage willbill <trek@worldwide.net> wrote:
SATA connectors require precise manufacturing in order to
work well. Many cheaper ones just have too high tolerances.
Buy quality and you should be fine.

Arno

In article <13200j3ju6dhae0@news.supernews.com>,
Rita Ä Berkowitz <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote:

Why do you bother to post something so useless?

It's a script that awakens periodically, triggered by ATA, IDE, an so on. Or
self-appointed SCSI preacher without a life. "I'm a righteous one: I don't
use no bloody ATA".

<ellis@no.spam> wrote in message news:1176517050.318538@no.spam...

On Apr 13, 12:22 pm, willbill <t...@worldwide.net> wrote:
I use SATA drives - Have a lot of experience with them. I have seen
some issues with them being fragile. It's critical that the cable be
exactly straight coming out of the drive. I have seen quite a few
broken cable ends where the side (edge) of the connector is broken.
That weakens the connector so the top and bottom spread and the spring
tension if the pins won't make adequate contact with the gold on the
drive PCB. Have only seen one case where the cable was bad without any
visual damage. I believe that case was a result of the cable being
stressed at 90 degrees over too short a radius.

Overall, I like SATA cables. They don't interfere with the airflow in
the chassis (as do the PATA cables.

willbill wrote:
Yes, I think there is a special place in hell for the idiot who designed
the SATA connectors on the disk. I've given up, and when I build a PC I
install a drive housing that occupies 3x5.25" bays and gives me four hot
plug SATA bugs. Because of the way this is designed I've not had a
single problem with power or drive connectors since doing this. The one
I use is:


http://www.satadrives.com/sadrcafor4sa.html

--
Nik Simpson

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Nik Simpson <n_simpson@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Hmm. I hope they improved their manufacturing. I had two of
these with a PCB manufaactured shoddily enough, that I got CRC
errors on some of the disks. These errors were severe
enough that disks dropped out of the RAID they were in and
vanished vcompletely when connecting them directly. Took
me a week to debug and then I just threw this trash out.

I was also quite unimpressed with the cooling.

Arno

Arno Wagner wrote:

I've got one that's been going about a year now, the other is more
recent. So far I've not had any problems with them. But there are other
products out there, maybe there are some better ones.

--
Nik Simpson

"willbill" <trek@worldwide.net> wrote in message
news:evomjo0oec@enews5.newsguy.com...
A bit of Blu Tack around the connectors does wonders.

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Nik Simpson <n_simpson@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Maybe the just fixed that production quality issue.

Arno

Rita Ä Berkowitz <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote:

I recently read a report from Google, and it basically comes down to, that
SATA drives aren't necessarily worse than SCSI or FC drives. Here's
the link:

Message-ID: <544vb6F1v7oqgU1@mid.individual.net>
http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/5038
http://storagemojo.com/?p=383
http://www.usenix.org/events/fast07/...tml/index.html
http://216.239.37.132/papers/disk_failures.pdf

--
Alexander Skwar

"willbill" <trek@worldwide.net> wrote in message news:evomjo0oec@enews5.newsguy.com
That's what you get if you buy drives intended for backplane use.
Buy the ons intended for desktop cases, those with regular Molex power plug.

"Nik Simpson" <n_simpson@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:%c2Uh.10431$qB4.2860@bignews3.bellsouth.net
How strange when below you just say they work utterly fine when used as intended.

Gee, what a surprise: you are using them as intended.

"Arno Wagner" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:58fh81F2h0qqoU1@mid.individual.net
Or maybe it just never existed.

Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:


Sadly, even these have problems occasionally. I have a few of the
Supermicro 5 drive units and I had to send back one of them. We did
have one SCA connector fail a few years ago too. As for SATA vs. SCSI,
of course there are instances when SCSI is the only way to go (15K
drives for instance) but more often than not it is too limiting to go
with SCSI. We couldn't do a lot of what we do if we had to pay SCSI
prices. SATA has proven to be very reliable (except for one array that
used Maxtor drives... that was a nightmare but no data was lost and it
had nothing to do with SATA, just Maxtor). With about 90 SATA drives in
operation over the last year, we have had zero downtime due to the RAID
arrays and only one array that needed to failover to a spare drive.
With about 20 SCSI drives we had two drives that failed in the last
year. To be fair, the SCSI drives are much older than the SATA drives.

Have you ever seen the SATA drive with old-ATA-style 5pin large power
connector?

If yes - can you name the models? I have only seens the SATA drives with new
style power connector, looking like the SATA data one but wider.

--
Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
maxim@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Maxim S. Shatskih <maxim@storagecraft.com> wrote:
I don't think there ever were such drives. There were some that had the
traditional 4 pin molex connector in addition to the SATA power connector.
Some early Seagete models I think.

Arno

The new Western Digital SATA2 KS series of drives have
both SATA and standard 4 pin Molex connectors.

Is the usual disk/CD power connector 4pin or 5? Sorry, do not have this at
sightseeing distance, only remember that it has +-5V and +-12V (and maybe
ground too?)

--
Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
maxim@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com