hi all.
i'm a beginner at UNIX/LINUX.presently i have opensuse 10.3 installed
on my computer.i am basically a c/cpp/java programmer and soon would
be joining the IT industry.i am very enthusiastic about the shell and
would like to study unix\linux through the command line.along with
that i would also like to study operating systems in depth with hands-
on and practical approach on linux\unix OSs.for this reason i have
picked up an operating systems book by gary nutt which teaches through
examples of unix\windows and for reference i have 'the unix
programming environment' by Brian Kernighan but i'm not finding the my
OS book to be providing me with solid concrete concepts ( although it
has good examples and very good lab exercises).
Henceforth i'm an a little dilemma and as always i've turned to
usenet.it would be very appreciative of people(and nerds) out there to
help me out with the following questions :

1)how much is unix different from linux? i know linux is a simulation
of unix and i can see its source code but is it advisable to learn
from a unix book and practise on linux ? i want to learn both .
2)kindly suggest 2-3 simple,good(not at all boring),usefull and
standard books or/and sites for unix and linux.
3)kindly suggest 2-3 simple,good and conceptual books or/and sites for
operating systems that teach the subject through unix\linux approach.
thanking in anticipation. vaib.

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 06:49:38 -0800 (PST), Vaib <vaibhavpanghal@gmail.com> wrote:

There's not a lot of meaningful differences between Linux and Unix -
different vendors' Unix differ about as much as the difference between
Linux and any particular Unix. The key is to learn the OS and not get
stuck memorizing that particular OS's administration tools. "Click
here, do this, click there, done", is the wrong thing to learn. "I'm
modifying the hosts file to produce the following change" is what you
should get out of that.

I can't know what you would consider boring, but, Evi Nemeths's books on
Unix, and Linux sysadmin are the ones that come off the shelf most
often at work.

Vaib <vaibhavpang...@gmail.com> wrote:
www.ugu.com, www.lopsa.org, news:comp.unix.admin

Either "The UNIX Philosophy by Mike Gancarz" and/or
"Linux and the Unix Philosophy by Mike Gancarz" to learn
the why of UNIX. Once you know the why you have a
structure on which to hang all of the hows and you will be
able to solve problems quickly based on that structure.

Either "Software Tools by Brian W. Kernighan and P. J. Plauger"
and/or "Software Tools in Pascal by Brian W. Kernighan and
P. J. Plauger". They remain the best books in the field at
teaching the concept of toosmithing upon which most UNIX
sysadmin work is basaed.

On Feb 24, 7:49 am, Vaib <vaibhavpang...@gmail.com> wrote:

Here is how I went from software development to sysadmin:

When I was working as a developer, I somewhat envied the sysadmins
because they seemed to be up-and-around a lot more, and had more
variety to their work.

I got a job a smaller shop, where the developers had to also do
sysadmin work. For about two years, I studied, and got as much
experience as I could, in sysadmin. When I looked for my next job, I
emphasized my sysadmin experience on my resume, and I got a sysadmin
job. Now, I wonder if I should have stayed a developer. I guess the
grass is always greener.

Anyway, the first thing to remember is that experience is the most
important credential - by far. Stuff you learn on your own, generally
counts for nothing (sorry). If I did not have any experience, and I
wanted to work as a Linux sysadmin today, I would get a RHCE
certification.

On Feb 24, 8:23*pm, Dave Hinz <DaveH...@gmail.com> wrote:
hi Dave ,
i completely get your point . i do not want to master a particular
distro or flavor but actually want to learn OS concepts through any
good OS book that does it through examples of linux\unix.

On Feb 24, 10:09*pm, Doug Freyburger <dfrey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
thank u so much for your valuable info.i'll keep the thread noted as
to what i actually decided to do.

On Feb 25, 9:31*pm, walterbyrd <walterb...@iname.com> wrote:
all rite. u mean red hat . i got that . since thats a standard in the
industry too.but what about my OS concepts . i want to have concrete
OS concepts too along with sysadmin.

On Feb 26, 4:36 am, Vaib <vaibhavpang...@gmail.com> wrote:

Getting an RHCE will teach you a lot of OS concepts, and will give you
a worth-while credential. If you want to get a sysadmin job in today's
environment, you have to have something to put on the table. Just
saying "I taught myself" will not cut any ice with most employers. For
that matter, just have a cert, with no sysadmin experience, is not
that valuable either, but at least it's something.

The RHCE exam is a 5 hours long and hands-on. There is no multiple-
choice. You have to do things like install and configure an Apache
server, at the exam. So to be able to pass the RHCE, you probably have
to practice doing those sorts of things.

You may want to take a look at:

RHCE Red Hat Certified Engineer Linux Study Guide
http://www.amazon.com/Certified-Engi...45212&sr= 8-1

It will teach you as much as any other Linux admin book, and also help
prepare you for the exam.

If you going to learn all that stuff, you might as well have something
to show for it.

On Feb 26, 10:04 pm, walterbyrd <walterb...@iname.com> wrote:
thank you . i really appreciate that . i will refer to what you
pointed out to me. as of now i've started with the books on Linux
Documentation Project like Introduction to Linux , Bash Beginners and
the like and i'm finding them to be quite good and interesting ( and
needless to say , informative too ) . i think that's a very good place
to start from .