Can anyone tell me what DVD replication really means? I am a retailer
and am looking at buying some DVD's to sell, but on the company's
website, they say this:

*WE DO NOT SELL BURNT DVD'S. NO -R,+R, RW. THESE ARE AUTHENTIC
REPLICATIONS!!! (DVD9 FORMAT A+ QUALITY) ALL DVD'S COME SHRINK WRAPPED!
DELIVERY TIME IS 10-13 BUSINESS DAYS AFTER FUNDS CLEAR.
ALL SHIPMENTS HAVE ORDER TRACKING, I.E., (UPS, FED-EX, DHL).*

I want the same quality of DVD that you would find in walmart or
blockbuster. Is this term just synonomous with them being mass
distributed, or is replication like an inferior product to what's on the
shelf at retail electronics stores? Thanks for your help.
Jeremy S.
Lightshire Designs

That means they are not home DVD-R's which you can pirate and burn at
home or online, these would be inferior copies of commercial discs as
DVD-R's duplication/piracy involves re-compressing double layered
commercial discs into single layered DVD-R discs. So more compression
occurs and more quality loss. DVD-R media also has playback
compatibility issues, so they can skip on some DVD players.

Replicated discs are like Hollywood commercial DVD's, a glass master is
made to produce them at a plant, it's not a PC and a DVD drive situation.

Replicated discs are not inferior, they are the standard. Walmart,
Blockbuster DVD's are all replicated.





Jeremy wrote:

Jeremy wrote:
They're obviously bootlegs, and almost certainly of inferior quality to the
official product. The word "replication" as they're using it is
meaningless.

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Commercial dvds are replicated in factories, bootleg dvd are burned....

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Consider this: if they're legitimate DVDs, why do they need to use the term
'replication'? Sounds fishy to me!

Mark

Replication is a word given to the injection molding process of optical discs,
including DVDs.

Factory made DVDs from a home video label are replications of the glass master
that's made to fabricate the pressing dies, which is why they are called
"replicated" discs.

So, the DVDs you have concerns about should be the exact same product that you
can buy from a regular retailer. - Reinhart

Not if you know about some of the terminology used.

In disc manufacturing, the actual manufacturing of DVDs, CDs, and LaserDiscs is
referred to as replication.

The term is actually accurate because the pressed plastic disc is a replication
of the glass master. - Reinhart

LASERandDVDfan wrote:
Yes, but no legitimate retailer would use a phrase like, "*WE DO NOT SELL
BURNT DVD'S. NO -R,+R, RW. THESE ARE AUTHENTIC REPLICATIONS!!!" That alone
is cause for great suspicion.

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LASERandDVDfan wrote:

I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that these are not "the exact same product that you
can buy from a refular retailer".

"Replication" does not imply doing so from legitimate, legal, or original masters.

In this case, "replication" likely means that they bootlegged the official
release, generated a master and "replicated" away. Illegally.


Joe

And I just gave you a good reason as to why your suspicion is unfounded, which
you seem to refuse to accept.

If the seller has a good feedback rating with little or no negatives against
it, there is really no reason to suspect that he would try to do anything
underhanded. - Reinhart

If the buyer is uncertain, the solution is easy: Do Not Buy.

But, the terminology is accurate. I am sorry that you cannot accept that fact
and, therefore, assume that the seller is out to rip people off.

It may be possible, but they are using the word in the correct sense to
describe their product and clearly establishing a difference between a genuine
product and a pirated burned copy. It is also possible that a pirate will use
the correct terminology in a relatively high profile website available only to
retailers for wholesale distribution, but it's doubtful unless the pirate was a
moron.

It would've also been helpful if the original poster gave us a URL link for us
to see what the business is and what it is called so we can also do some
investigative work to help clear this up.

Yet, that's the terminology that is used in the pressing and distribution
industry. What other way is there to describe what they sell without making
the buyers put up question marks (except those who don't know what the
technical vocabulary is)?

If the business has any kind of experience and is established as a distribution
and wholesaler outlet for retailers, then they will likely use the same
terminology that's used by manufacturers.

If the original poster is unsure of the legitimacy of the business, all he has
to do is contact a home video division of a studio or other rights owners with
content available on DVD to see if they are the real deal.

http://www.sonydadc.com/products.disk.dvd.go

http://www.disctronics.co.uk/

http://www.technicolor.com/Cultures/...eplication.htm

http://www.sonopress.com/us/?id=3

These are just some of the manufacturing companies out there that make optical
discs. ALL of them refer to the process of manufacture as "replication."
"Replication" is a word that's used to describe the pressing of optical discs
since the first mass-produced retail LaserDiscs rolled out of MCA DiscoVision's
factory in 1978. And, when you check to see what DVD/CD replication means to
these companies, it essentially means pressing a DVD or a CD by injecting
molten polycarbonate (acrylic for LDs) in a molding press under high pressure.
The resulting pressing is a perfect clone of the photoresist glass master down
to the pit and land structures of the disc track, hence the term "replication."

Copying a DVD using a computer and a burner is not going to result in a
completely perfect clone of the original disc. It will be the same in terms of
the information stored and may work just as well (depending on how it was
copied), but it may not be 100% accurate when you look at it down to the actual
pits. A computer made copy will never be a physically perfect copy unlike
physically replicated discs.

While they may mean the same thing when you look them up in a dictionary, there
is a difference between the two words in terms of their meanings under a
specific technical sense in the industry.

Like I said, the terminology is proper and correct. If the distributor has any
kind of good reputation and are authorized, then what they are saying is that
they sell genuine products from the home video labels.

Again, if the original poster is unsure, he should contact the home video
labels to see if they have dealings with the establishment in question.

Possibly, but why deny one thing and then suddenly admit it in the same
sentence through different uses of vocabulary?

Remember what you basically implied, that copying and replicating are the same
things? Why say they don't, yet they do in the same sentence? In an effort to
confuse people? Not likely. It would make people suspicious, but only those
who don't know what's being said.

It is far more likely that the seller understands that they are using the
technical terminology used by disc manufacturers to describe their product.
The technical terminology of both words are totally different. It's informing
potential buyers who know the talk that they have geniune products for sale.

Besides, if a retailer suspects that the product they bought to resell is not
genuine, then all they have to do is inform the FBI if the operation took place
in the U.S., Interpol if the deal was international, and the offended company
or companies. And, retailers probably wouldn't hesistate to do so if they
suspect wrongdoing at their expense, so such a distribution business would
never stay in operation like that for very long if they were willing, not to
mention stupid, to try and sell pirated products to legitimate retailers.
Especially if the retailer in question was located in the U.S. or other places
that enforce copyright laws to a maximum extent.

People not familiar with the business, such as yourself and apparently the
original poster, would never understand the description properly because you
are not familiar with the technical aspects.

And, again, if the buyer is unsure, he should ask the home video labels if they
are authorized. - Reinhart

LASERandDVDfan wrote:
What, a definition of replication? In what way is that a good reason that
my suspicion is unfounded? Why would they go to the trouble of pointing out
that "these are authentic replications" if there was no reason to doubt such
in the first place?

Note that they don't state it's an official product - they just state that
the discs are replicated as opposed to burned. All the more cause for
suspicion.

Good feedback? What are you talking about? The OP was talking about a web
company, not an Ebay seller. And I maintain: no legitimate company would
use language like that, period. They would simply sell official products
without disclaimers like the above.

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LASERandDVDfan wrote:

Absolutely.


So what?


There is no relationship between "accurate terminology" and "legitimacy" or
"quality". The quoted verbiage is highly typical of sellers of illegitimate goods.
Why do you argue for this seller's legitimacy when you know this is true?


Probable.


Differentiation between a genuine product OR a pirated pressed copy, and a pirated
burned copy. You know no more than that.


You are making assumptions about the location of this "ad", assuming you are
referring to this particular case.


Sure....but what was presented is plenty to be able to say "stay away if you want
legitimate product".


Once again, using correct (and VERY basic) terminology implies nothing whatsoever
about legitimacy. What other way? How about "This is licensed product identical in
content and packaging to what you find at your local retailer". There's a reason
this is not the statement made.


It is you who are confused. Very easily, apparently. I've not said anything that is
contradictory. You are somehow imbuing the word "replication" with "replication of
a legitimate master".


It is likely that if someone is selling illegally pressed copies, then they have
some affiliation with the manufacturing plant and would know how to refer to the
process. Once again, this implies nothing as to legitimacy.


You don't know me. How could you possibly infer anything *at all* about my
knowledge of the business. I do, in fact, know a bit about the biz.

Rather, it appears that you know quite little about the business yourself if you
are somehow fooled by the usage of a simple word like replication by a person who
is selling illegally replicated goods. You have, however, demonstrated that you
haven't a clear picture of the pirate business.

Buh-bye.


Joe

One way is where the business is located.

If it's located in some place like Hong Kong, then that would be a red flag as
there is an advanced piracy establishment with actual replication spaces there.

But, if it were located in Southern California, then what?

As are you. You yourself are automatically assuming the worst. I'd say that
the situation should be approached with caution and understanding. The use of
proper terminology is one clue that it's either legitimate or clever.

Just because a company makes a statement that they sell "authentic replicated"
DVDs as opposed to DVD-R copies, that becomes a red flag by itself? Authentic
replicated discs means "retail discs." Of course, anyone can lie, which is why
I suggested that the company be checked for confirmation of their legitimacy.
What is wrong with asking for verifiable credentials from the company if you
are unsure? That's what I'd do.

If the product is from Columbia/Tri-Star, for instance, then why would someone
from Sony rip themselves off?

And you don't know me either. In your mindset, you are just as guilty as I am
when you made that kind of an assumption about me.

As for knowledge in the business and the production of replicated discs, what
do you know? - Reinhart

LASERandDVDfan wrote:

Tell you what....put something on the line and we'll track down the "source" and
determine whether they're a pirate or not.

If they are not a dealer in "legitimate" goods, you'll apologize profusely and send
along a couple of DVDs because I was accurate in my "assumptions". I'll happily do
the same for you if they are, in fact legit (which they are not).

'kay?

If you aren't willing to do this, then stfu.


Joe

Well, I'd love to, except the OP didn't leave any kind of information about the
distributor. Could be anybody, and I'm not about to waste my time on that.

As a matter of fact, I don't want to engage in this discussion anymore since it
has now deteriorated into a pointless word fight with your outburst.

Now you're being facetious.

I may retract the possibility that they are legit, but I won't retract my
statement about the terminology.

And since when was trading insults justified now? I don't remember going
around calling you any names, much less anything that's at least suggestive of
a rather infamous expletive.

Like I said, your outburst turned the argument into something really childish,
and I'm not going to sink to that level.

BTW, PLONK!!! - Reinhart

LASERandDVDfan wrote:

Figures. You are what's called an "internet arguer". You have no basis for your
argument and no desire to support your argument, yet you continue to promote your
(quote)argument(endquote).

Nice. Real nice.

BTW, I'm right about this seller and you are in denial.


Joe

Of course you are. Every one of these idiotic messages are by lazy thieves.