Sigh. Once again.

"Which is best?" is a question that gets asked a great many times in this
group, and I've been following the trends for a while, but am lost as to
what the /current/ opinions are. So hopefully, this post isn't a simple
rehash of all the others in the last couple weeks.

Used to be it was McAfee vs. Norton for AV, and that was all there was worth
mentioning in the AV universe. The others were piddling nothingness.

Now it seems that there are a lot of accolades for other apps in the AV
arena. Basically I run both Norton and AVG (Norton full time, and avg "once
in a while").

I am mostly concerned with bandwidth impact of my continually running 2003
NAV auto-protect.

1. What is the best AV considered to be these days?
2. Which AV has the least impact on the system (perhaps this need not be a
separate question).
3. Is McAfee considered to be a bigger hog of cpu bandwidth?
4. What is everyone's favorite anti-spyware? I am using AdAware, but am
intrigued by McAfee's new app.

*And the whopper spyware question* :

5. Is microsoft's new and free anti-spyware application any good?



--
Onedoctortoanother:"Ifthisismyrectalthermometer,wh erethehell'smypen???"

Thomas G. Marshall thought carefully and wrote on 1/26/2005 9:34 PM:
It's still beta. So no, it's not good yet.

Lance
*****

"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
wrote in message news:04%Jd.24986$rs2.2122@trndny07...

I have been using Nortons for a couple of years without any problems , I
have seen in some of the threads that a lot of
people have had some problems with it. I have also installed AVG and AntiVir
on a few other computers, both seem ok.

I have been using Microsoft's anti-spyware for a little while and it seems
ok, but I also run the following.

Router
ZoneAlarm
Ad-aware
Spybot S&D
Spywareblaster
A-Squared
Winpatrol
Pestpatrol
CWShredder
Stinger
Hosts file from MVPS.org
I also use a few other utilities like XP antispy,upnp,Dcombob,gdiscan and
some Windows process monitors.

On 27-Jan-2005, "Thomas G. Marshall"
<tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote:

For detection it's Kaspersky.

"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
wrote in message news:04%Jd.24986$rs2.2122@trndny07...
originally owned by Giant.

Clive

"Gary" <zero@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:6sSdnYuxK7duWGXcRVn-rg@adelphia.com...
I believe both Escan and NOD32 both use the Kaspersky engine- does this mean
basically they are the same product as Kaspersky just under different names?

Will

Will James wrote:
written in the same programming language.

Lance <lltbhill@link_earth.net> wrote in news:35resgF4r59amU1
@individual.net:

I once read a letter to an editor that put it perfectly.
If the automakers made cars like MS makes an operating system, there would
be callbacks every hour, and breaks failing every microsecond.

"Clive" <someone@nospam.com> wrote in news:_B4Kd.659$8B3.272
@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk:

how is the MS anti-spyware and did you ever try Avast before you used
Kaspersky?

Moe Hair coughed up:
And using their rules, cars would stop in the middle of the road and turn
off for no reason. And everyone would think that it's to be expected.

--
"It's easier to be terrified by an enemy you admire."
-Thufir Hawat, Mentat and Master of Assassins to House Atreides

skydiver coughed up:

Ok, wait a sec. I'm reading over and over the following:

Avast is great

and now I'm also reading in this thread

Kaperksy is great

*How are these two compared to NAV and McAfee* ?

And do either Kapersky or Avast have reasonable anti-spyware?

....[rip]...

--
"It's easier to be terrified by an enemy you admire."
-Thufir Hawat, Mentat and Master of Assassins to House Atreides

Thomas G. Marshall wrote:

They are far less expensive, especially Avast.

They are anti-virus programs, not anti-spyware programs. See:
<http://home.rochester.rr.com/bshagnasty/tips.html#spyware>

There is no one-does-everything application. Practicing safe hex is
the best "program" though.

Was it the beans? :-)

--
-bts
-This space intentionally left blank.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:03:39 -0500, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:

Agreed whole heartedly! There is no perfect 'all in one' product. Now
here is an analogy - It's a lot like Shampoo and Conditioner - ever
though the Shampoo and Conditioner all in one is convienient and even
cheaper in most cases - two seperate products, a very good shampoo and
a very good consitioner - sometimes from different brands - offer the
best results :-)


Regards,
Ian Kenefick
http://www.IK-CS.com

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:34:52 GMT, "Thomas G. Marshall"
<tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote:

[Snip]

For my money F-Secure Anti-virus is the best thing going.

Probably, F-Prot or Nod32.

Huh? What? Assuming you have reasonably up to date hardware and
sufficient RAM who cares. My primary workstation is 1.6GHz P4 with 1GB
of RAM... I can't see any difference in performance with F-Secure
running versus not running.

I've got both Adaware and Spybot S&D installed... Neither of them has
ever found anything other than the occasion "tracking cookie".

Hmm... Ummm.... Err... I suppose that depends on how you define
"good". Personally, I wouldn't touch it with a ten meter cattle prod.


Cheers-

Jeff Setaro
jasetaro@SPAM_ME_NOT_mags.net
http://people.mags.net/jasetaro/
PGP Key IDs DH/DSS: 0x5D41429D RSA: 0x599D2A99 New RSA: 0xA19EBD34

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:24:25 GMT, "Thomas G. Marshall"
<tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote:

Kaspersky has the ability to detect spyware... It's not enabled by
default though. I memory serves there's an option in the updater to
include the spyware detection information in the updates.


Cheers-

Jeff Setaro
jasetaro@SPAM_ME_NOT_mags.net
http://people.mags.net/jasetaro/
PGP Key IDs DH/DSS: 0x5D41429D RSA: 0x599D2A99 New RSA: 0xA19EBD34

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:43:41 -0500, Jeffrey A. Setaro
<jasetaro@SPAM_ME_NOT_mags.net> wrote:


Correct!
In current version 5.0 of KAV you select the 'Extended Database'
option in the updater options. In versions previous to 5.0 you must
change the update url from the /updates to /updates_x

Regards,
Ian Kenefick
http://www.IK-CS.com

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:39:58 -0500, Jeffrey A. Setaro
<jasetaro@SPAM_ME_NOT_mags.net> wrote:

Overall detection - reaction times to new threats : yes, certainly one
of the best.

Yep - I agree with you here!

There is a noticeable difference - without question - I'm surprised
you don't notice - I have similar spec machines also running FSAV

Giant Antispyware was an excellent program and MS Antispyware is no
different - except for the fact they dont update is as often.


Regards,
Ian Kenefick
http://www.IK-CS.com

"Thomas G. Marshall"
<tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote in message
news:04%Jd.24986$rs2.2122@trndny07...
"Doing the same thing and expecting different results is a sign of
insanity"

Maybe they had the advertising capital that others did not. They are
both good, but they are not the only good ones.

Sounds good.

Yep, it's a hog.

IMO Kapersky, F-prot, and Sophos (and maybe Norman's sandbox too). I
base my opinion on the lack of problems reported in the virus related
newsgroups, and from good detection rates as reported also. McAfee and
Norton have added too much fluff which bogs down the systems for some
peeps, but they have good detection.

Almost any on-demand AV.

Depends on how much stuff (fluff) you have it doing.

Prevention - safe hex.
Clean-up if prevention fails - both Ad-Aware and Spybot S&D (CWShredder
if CWS is what gotcha).

Hmmm, never looked into it myself.

Probably, but with any MS product (even one bought from another company)
it is best to let others test it for you. It wouldn't suprise me much if
that app had vulnerabilities or trapdoors.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:19:07 +0000, Ian Kenefick
<ian_kenefick@eircom.net> wrote:

Very apt comparison, but it seems that many people are used to the
Windows model in which one product does everything. Many users don't
want to have to bother learning and deciding among different programs.
If users can't even learn to differenciate between Microsoft and its
programs, you will have people going to a second hand store wanting to
buy MS Word, and saying that they want to buy Microsoft (as told by
the owner of the store).

Geo

"Moe Hair" <mohair@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:lp9Kd.37075$JE2.31528@fe09.lga...
I tried Avast free but it missed a nasty trojan associated with Freshbar
which Kaspersky Personal Pro caught so I switched. You can compare antivirus
record here:
http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archiv...ucts.xml?table

Will