DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:

hi,
have you tried the new monitor on another machine?
and
have you tried your old monitor on the dell again?
and
do you have display properties at all?
(control panel-> display ->dbl click)
what options do you have-- any?
and if you right click the desktop and choose properties?
if you have an option to increase resolution try it...

<DaveJohnson12@nomail.> wrote in message
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It's got .28mm dot pitch. Not real great!
From your user manual: 1024 x 768 85 Hz (preferred user resolution)

DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:

if it is not too inconvenient you should try it!

since you have 2 *abnormal* monitors -- the video card could be off...... perhaps you can reseat
it?

just to see whether the monitor is capable of anything.....


when you choose settings, what options do you have?
there should be an 'advanced' bottom at the bottom right....you should have the color? do you?
if you have that option, raise (or lower) color to high color 16 bits.
i assume that you have made certain that the monitor is SECURELY attached to pc.

"Tanya" <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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AND there are no broken pins!

Jess wrote:

yes a broken pin........

also here are two unLikely longShots:
1. is there by any chance a protective *film* on the monitor??? (i have received
new monitors with a covering film (like a plastic) however it is usually pretty
obvious...)
2. or have you tried cleaning (a part of) it?
(just 2 unlikely possibilities...)

DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:

hi
i agree with Jerry (below) that it is a video card driver issue.....
i had similar with a great monitor (still have it) and a win95 pc after reloading
windows 95b:
the colors were faded (desktop, any program etc...) and there were minimal if any
options and none to adjust it... (in display properties)
i had to <?upDate?> reinstall the drivers and this fixed it!

also you should reseat your video card (older video cards might require this at
times....)
and
as far as monitor drivers: i sometimes use a mac (apple) monitor with win95/98 pcs
with no problem at all (i don't think that older windows versions come with mac
monitor drivers...could be wrong...)

fwiw, i would still be curious how the monitor functions on another pc;

i'd do the above BEFORE returning the monitor
sincerely
Tanya

DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:

hi,
can you post (or repost?) your video card information?

On Mon, 09 May 2005 03:13:34 GMT, DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:

Yes, it most likely was a dry solder joint or something, causing one
of the RGB color guns to dip out. Sometimes a wonky signal cable can
do that too. If it affects the whole display, it's likely that; if it
affects a part of the display as a soft-edged "wash", then degaussing
the screen (and keeping speakers and other magnets away) may help.

Drill into Settings - that's where you'll see color depths, refresh
rates, etc. Look out for extra tabs to these dialog boxes that your
SVGA (graphic card) drivers may have added; these may have options to
control gamma, brightness etc. and if those were cranked up for an old
monitor with fading tube, then that may be why the new one looks too
bright. Try resetting any fancy settings to default first.

Sick monitors can go out in different ways.

One way is where the screen is maximally bright and washed out, no
matter what you do with the monitor's settings; often the focus is
fuzzy too. This would be unusual for a new monitor.

Another way is for the screen to get darker and darker, so that you
have to ramp up brightness and contrast to see anything at all. If
the old monitor was doing that, and you'd chased after it via controls
on the PC, then that may be why the new one looks too bright.

Finally, monitor signal cable extensions can dull the screen image,
but that's usually the opposite of what you are complaining about
here. Once again, a setting invoked to balance this effect (e.g. if
your old monitor was connected via a splitter or something) may cause
a new and "normal" monitor to look wrong.

You should not need to adjust color from the PC to make a new monitror
look normal. Either there are inappropriate settings already in
effect, or it's a duff monitor.

I take it you have tried all the settings on the monitor itself? If
no, do so! That's the place to start.

Finally - no reason to change from Win95xx, especially just because
it's "not supported". You should make sure File and print Sharing is
not bound to your Internet connection, and that you don't full-share
all of C:\, and that IE is either older than IE 4.00 or is up to IE
5.01 SP2 or IE 5.5 SP2 to avoid the MIME-spoofing risk.

There are many new hardware devices that simply won't work on that PC,
such as USB sticks and modern USB printers (Win95B can support USB,
but modern USB hardware lacks drivers for Win95B). But this doesn't
apply to CRT monitors, which should just work when plugged in.

hi
<random snips>

DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:

if you still have your old monitor, see what it does
(i'd still try another a working monitor on the dell though)

i'd still suggest temporarily changing the resolution to 1024 * 768 just for
troubleshooting...


still and vice versa

i know but i really don't think that the *sophisticated* extras are too useful except for the
diagnostic (which it doesn't have)

doesn't seem to be a driver surplus on the internet...........
here are some ideas: i think that 4 is the most *helpful*

1. there are sites (i don't know the reliability / integrity) where you can assess your video
(or whatever else) drivers for free...... (one is drivers.com)
have you tried any of these?

2. have you tried unplugging the monitor for a while? (likely no help)
3. try degaussing it
*4. when you start the pc, do you have the BRIGHT blue dell splash screen?
if so, is the blue bright?
(or any of the colors if there are other colors?)
also the windows splash (w/ the clouds) prior to it loading everything (is the color normal?)
5. is there a user's manual with the monitor?
6. i would try the monitor in a different electrical outlet? (fwiw)

7. a)(with the pc off) unplug everything other than the monitor, the keyboard, the mouse and
the pc power cable.
b) restart; go into safe mode
c) go to start-> settings -> control panel-> display
move the resolution to the left (640*480) (desktop and screen); move the color palette to
256....
d) click ok and restart...
ANY DIFFERENCE?

(shut off and replug everything...)
7. have you asked the retailer?
8. the only question that that might diagnose the monitor or a driver issue (i think) is the
one about the dell splash (you could also enter the setup ('del' key) and see if the colors
there are washed out (although they are fairly faint))
9. have you made SURE that plug 'n play is set up for the monitor (device mnger)
10. make sure to reseat the video card

p.s. has anyone heard of a synch adapter???????

quote from your post re: controls on monitor:
'The controls on the
front of the monitor
are for brightness, contrast, moire, degauss and adjusting the shape
of the picture like
pincushion, trapezoid, etc. There's also something called color
temperature. I changed it
from 9300 to 6500 and it makes a big difference but the color still
doesn't look right.'

have you adjusted the brightness (i.e. turned it down)?
and the contrast? turned it up?
can you save the monitor settings (via the monitor?)
i don't know what moire is
but in what way did changing the color temp make a big difference?
sincerely
Tanya
p.s. i don't know whether there's a h/w problem w/ the monitor (i would just be concerned
about getting a refund (i.e.do you have a time limit to replace it?))
imho, it certainly could be a video card / driver issue / a bios setting / windows setting....

1 more thing:
do you have any dos games or whatever to see if the monitor displays color running in msDos
only?

hi,
<multiple snips>

i believe that these are the drivers for your video card:
RIVA 128/128ZX Drivers
http://www.nvidia.com/object/riva_drivers
(i don't know whether these are the same as you have now, but if not and your *new* monitor has
similar problems you might try these...)

probably a good idea... (some (a few) are ok fwiw)

i think that actually unPlugging the monitor can help certain problems... (fwiw)

what i was getting at was to see whether the monitor was capable displaying colors (in dos) since i
thought that 1 of the problems was 'washOut'...
(also you could run scandisk at the dos prompt (it has a nice yellow and a nice red if something's
being fixed
(also i believe that some dos applications have color -- or one can edit files to have colors)
HOWEVER troubleshooting a NEW monitor to this degree (in my opinion) is unreasonable...

unless the photos (pictures) are displayed in a photo (s/w) program which requires certain settings

(but i guess since your old monitor was able to display them (sometimes) this *dullness* would not
point to a s/w problem with the new monitor but instead a h/w problem with the hp monitor))


fwiw, at this point i'd try for a default setting on the monitor (but again (IMHO) this is xs for a
new monitor)

i don't think that there is anything wrong with the pc -- just wanted to know whether the initial
screens were washed out and the blue on the dell splash is pretty BRIGHT (strong -- i.e. not washed
out)

i don't know brands offhand (i saw a number of posts relating to brands in this thread) if these
are unavailable, you could try onLine stores (for example: newEgg, chiefValue, ncix.com (usa)) JUST
to see the top 10 picks for crt's (or lcd's) and the reviews and comparisons (at least with
chiefValue) given by customers)

you are welcome
i (for one) would be curious to know how your new monitor works -- perhaps you can post back with
the results.....
sincerely,
Tanya

On Wed, 18 May 2005 21:29:50 GMT, DaveJohnson12@nospam. wrote:
Get one of these:

http://search.ebay.com/dell-p780_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8

hi,
[...below...]
<many snips>

DaveJohnson12@nospam. wrote:

fwiw, you video card is *reviewed* by some users (with variable results...)
here:
User Reviews - STB Velocity 128
http://www.sysopt.com/userreviews/vi...ocity_128.html
(might consider a new card at some point)

try unplugging the monitor for several hours... (not simply turning it off)

and i assume that other programs / windows are dull too? (like msPaint?)

i think that the crt has 3 phos. 'guns' (iirc)
red, blue and green
i'd think that there's too little red, and too much green and a questionable amount of blue...
fwiw, in a tv, (crt) these can be adjusted by a technician (don't try this your self)

still would...

did you try this?

have you done this? plus if there're chips on the card, you could make sure that they are secure (just
push them lightly)

this is an adapter which i have no familiarity with -- which apparently enables older os's to support
new monitors...


to emphasize: i would strongly recommend trying for defaults (ask hp) and or: assuming you have your old
monitor, reconnect it to the pc and then remove it and put the new one on and hope that it redetects
(should / could get default settings again)

also i think at this point that too many of the settings have been adjusted and i'd want to start from
scratch (writing down the default settings first)

when you go to device manager is the hp monitor named?

as far as display models: did the hp have one?
i've never bought a monitor that i saw in a display...

there *are* reviews! lcd is still a 'bit' co$tly
also, the online shops have user reviews...
i found links; i will post them

i'd be talking to hp -- i would imagine they would want the provide functioning monitors.... doesn't
your hp have an hp warranty (at least for a year?)
most companies would send a rpl first (you'd likely need to put down a deposit) and if it worked then
have you send the bad one back...
also some of the onLine stores have good reputations
i haven't dealt with newegg etc but there is a retailer assessment link i'll post that scores onLine
sellers...
http://www.resellerratings.com/


i found lots of links with win95b and lcds... i think in that case upgrading your video card would help
a lot...
Video Cards
http://www.devhardware.com/c/a/Video-Cards/

Video Hardware, Part 2
http://www.devhardware.com/c/a/Video...ware-Part-2/3/

Video Cards
http://www.devhardware.com/index2.ph...ge=0&hide_js=1
(2 are pretty much the same but 1 has a menu on the left on other devices.....)

(they talk about monitors as well)

oh?
actually notebooks have <always?> used lcd monitors... i think that win95b supports them (someone might
be able to confirm this)
sincerely,
Tanya

hi,
<MAJORITY SNIPPED>

DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:

i'd imagine that you could get a card that'd work in the current dell and would also work in a *new* pc (agp
is still around)

i think that brightness and contrast work opposite to each other? (inversely) i.e. lower the brightness and
increase the contrast (rather than lowering both)

basically, safe mode uses window's default video drivers. you can change settings in safe mode... and see
whether the display is better -- meaning the video card / drivers is bad...

also, if the display is ok this would indicate that there are either problems with the video-card / drivers
or the pc with a new monitor needs that synch adapter although this is highly unlikely...

anyone want to jump in here?


do you have 'performance' under display properties? if so have you tried moving the slider under 'graphics
h/w acceleration' to the left?
try it, and restart and see what happens.

back in normal mode:
using higher resolutions will limit the number of colors displayed -- so try lower resolutions... (correction
from a prior post
and...the number of choices of color (i.e. display prop -> settings) present depend on what your video
card'll support.

does it give the name of your monitor or just general monitor?

it could... it couldn't hurt.........

the monitor defaults.


what i meant is that i have never looked at a monitor's display (i usually buy onLine)
did you see the hp monitor on display before you bought it?

could be -- but i have 3 O.L.D. monitors... 2 are on win95b pc's... the video chip on 1 and the video card
on another are antique...the video adapters are close to bottom_of_the_line.
AND the displays are great
SOOooo imo, they are probably making newer crts better than 6 - 8 y/ago.
either:
1. the monitor is defective
2. or there're settings that need to be changed.

i'd be pursuing the hp people and / or the retailer.

what i *still* would suggest is trying the monitor on a different pc!

good luck
sincerely
Tanya