Seriously, being the tech nut that I am and having LCD and Plasma prices
comming down I figured 2008 would be the year to update my current home
theater and Media PC (which is myth / linux) to something all HD / Digital. I
replicated most everything I had with the old media center that works almost
flawlessly.

With all the talk about HDMI / HDCP I carefully planned out my purchases
making sure everything was HDCP compliant / ready. The system is as follows;

Receiver: Denon AVR-4308CI (HDCP Compliant)
Monitor/TV: Sony Bravia KDL-46XBR4 (HDCP Compliant)
Media PC Components;
Motherboard: ASUS P5E-VM HDMI (HDCP Compliant)
Graphics Card: eVGA eNforce 8800 GTS 640 MB (HDCP Compliant) Running Nvidia
Forceware Version: 169.25 Release Date: December 20, 2007
DVD Drive: LG GGC-H20L Blu-Ray / HD-DVD Combo
Audio: Onboard Realtek ALC883 HD Audio
TV Tuner: Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1800
OS: Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit

It's hooked up as follows the TV is located at the front of a room. from the
TV I have one 30 foot long HDMI cable, buried in a wall, running to a closet
where all the media equiptment is stored. The 30' HDMI cable connects the TV
to the receiver. Into the receiver I have My media PC graphics card connected
to TV IN connector via a DVI to HDMI cable. For the Audio connection I run
Coax HD Audio out from the Media PC to the Coax TV Audio IN on the receiver.
Connected to my Media PC is the Scientific Atlanta 4240 HDC via the Coax IN
on the Hauppauge Card. Since this is all digital and all HDCP compliant the
hookup seems pretty straight forward this should work, but the sad fact is
nothing works...

I try to watch TV via WIndows Media center all I see on the screen is a big
box Stating my monitor is not HDCP compliant and that I should use a
component video cable to display the video. I try to play a blu-ray dvd using
Power DVD Ultra all I get is an error stating that my monitor is not HDCP
compliant and that I should use a component connection as well. Same thing
when trying to run an HD-DVD.

So to try and figure out what is going wrong here I call the cable Company
they tell me it's Hauppauges' or Sonys' fault I can't watch TV, so I e-mail
Hauppauge they tell me it's Microsofts' fault I can't watch TV. I have yet to
hear back from Sony... I Send off an e-mail to Cyberlink they tell me it's
Microsofts' fault I can't watch a Blu-Ray Disc or HD-DVD. I am posting this
here to possibly get some help on this issue from microsoft.

As I see it the issue is this; My TV is HDCP Compliant but the OS does not
see it that way since Televisions don't normally come with drivers. Is it not
then Microsofts responsibility to provide HDCP drivers for televisions if
they are going to enforce HDCP so strictly in their OS/Media center
application? This seems to be the only way I can see to get this to work,
because running a 30' component out cable across the room is just not an
option.

After reading numerious posts on the internet about how many others are
seeing the same results as I am. The only conclusion I can come to is that
yes Microsoft has essentially Killed the Media PC because their
implementation of HDCP does NOT work. If it did I would be watching a movie
and not posting this here...

I don't have a specific suggestion and I don't know if your issue is a lack
of true compliance, but if you search the net for "HDCP compliant", you'll
find many articles about the issues with this standard over the last couple
of years.
--
James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey"), Florida




"Brock" <Brock@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6A2156F9-8D2E-4D88-BDE1-86EBFCBC8CBA@microsoft.com...

I don't have a specific suggestion and I don't know if your issue is a lack
of true compliance, but if you search the net for "HDCP compliant", you'll
find many articles about the issues with this standard over the last couple
of years.
--
James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey"), Florida




"Brock" <Brock@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6A2156F9-8D2E-4D88-BDE1-86EBFCBC8CBA@microsoft.com...

My only suggestion is that you first make sure that everything you want to
work works without the having the receiver in the middle since in many cases
receivers do not properly work when trying to pass DVI/HDMI video through
them.
"Brock" <Brock@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6A2156F9-8D2E-4D88-BDE1-86EBFCBC8CBA@microsoft.com...

My only suggestion is that you first make sure that everything you want to
work works without the having the receiver in the middle since in many cases
receivers do not properly work when trying to pass DVI/HDMI video through
them.
"Brock" <Brock@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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I would take out the receiver but there are 2 issues in doing so;

The first being when I hook the Media PC directly to the TV I have the same
problem reported by every other person that has done this DVI to HDMI
connection and that is after the BIOS post message the tv screen goes black
and drops the signal therefore nothing can be viewed you don't see the OS
load you don't see the OS login screen nothing it just stays black. For some
reason having the receiver there detects this disconnect and reposts the
signal so you can actually view the OS loading and login screen.

The other being if I had to do this for everyday use I would either have to
constantly be switching the HDMI cable from the receiver to the media PC
whenever I wanted to use it, or spend another $400 on a 2nd 35' HDMI 1.3a
cable to run dedicated from the PC to the monitor. Then I would have to pay
another bloke to come and bury that cable in the wall as well so I don't have
to look at it running from a closet to the opposite side of the room to the
monitor.



"JW" wrote:

I would take out the receiver but there are 2 issues in doing so;

The first being when I hook the Media PC directly to the TV I have the same
problem reported by every other person that has done this DVI to HDMI
connection and that is after the BIOS post message the tv screen goes black
and drops the signal therefore nothing can be viewed you don't see the OS
load you don't see the OS login screen nothing it just stays black. For some
reason having the receiver there detects this disconnect and reposts the
signal so you can actually view the OS loading and login screen.

The other being if I had to do this for everyday use I would either have to
constantly be switching the HDMI cable from the receiver to the media PC
whenever I wanted to use it, or spend another $400 on a 2nd 35' HDMI 1.3a
cable to run dedicated from the PC to the monitor. Then I would have to pay
another bloke to come and bury that cable in the wall as well so I don't have
to look at it running from a closet to the opposite side of the room to the
monitor.



"JW" wrote:

I believe your problems are associated more w/ the Nvidia than w/ MS...
there are potential solutions available via vicarious observation on
Nvidia's forums. I do agree w/ everything you are saying, however. Not
ready for prime-time - so close - but so very far... Rob (please note - I
said potential solutions. Go analog, that's where I try and live.)


"Brock" <Brock@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6A2156F9-8D2E-4D88-BDE1-86EBFCBC8CBA@microsoft.com...

I believe your problems are associated more w/ the Nvidia than w/ MS...
there are potential solutions available via vicarious observation on
Nvidia's forums. I do agree w/ everything you are saying, however. Not
ready for prime-time - so close - but so very far... Rob (please note - I
said potential solutions. Go analog, that's where I try and live.)


"Brock" <Brock@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6A2156F9-8D2E-4D88-BDE1-86EBFCBC8CBA@microsoft.com...

Brock

Haver you ever successfully played HDCP protected material with the PC
connect directly to the TV? If the answer is yes, contact Denon and ask if
there is a firmware update for your receiver.

Do you have any friend that can loan you a standalone HD-DVD or Blu-Ray
player that you can use to test your receiver compatibility?.

B.D.

"Brock" wrote:

Brock

Haver you ever successfully played HDCP protected material with the PC
connect directly to the TV? If the answer is yes, contact Denon and ask if
there is a firmware update for your receiver.

Do you have any friend that can loan you a standalone HD-DVD or Blu-Ray
player that you can use to test your receiver compatibility?.

B.D.

"Brock" wrote:

I have had absolutely no problem doing a DVI to HDMI connection. You just
have to make darn sure that the resolution you are sending to the HDTV is
one that it will accept over DVI/HDMI since HDTVs normally only accept 480i,
480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p or a subset of this list. So I also suggest that
you get it working without the receiver first and I suggest that you try
720p as the resolution since almost if not all HDTVs accept this in addition
to the Boot resolution that you are seeing..
"Brock" <Brock@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0CA1E142-D0EA-4289-B1BF-6B2C22030653@microsoft.com...

I have had absolutely no problem doing a DVI to HDMI connection. You just
have to make darn sure that the resolution you are sending to the HDTV is
one that it will accept over DVI/HDMI since HDTVs normally only accept 480i,
480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p or a subset of this list. So I also suggest that
you get it working without the receiver first and I suggest that you try
720p as the resolution since almost if not all HDTVs accept this in addition
to the Boot resolution that you are seeing..
"Brock" <Brock@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0CA1E142-D0EA-4289-B1BF-6B2C22030653@microsoft.com...

Yes, I have a playstation 3 that connects to the DVD input on the receiver
and uses the same HDMI out to the TV. I can watch Blu-Ray movies on that
without a problem. It's only video that is comming out of the Media PC that
gets blocked and says my monitor is not HDCP Compliant.

"Bill Davis" wrote:

Yes, I have a playstation 3 that connects to the DVD input on the receiver
and uses the same HDMI out to the TV. I can watch Blu-Ray movies on that
without a problem. It's only video that is comming out of the Media PC that
gets blocked and says my monitor is not HDCP Compliant.

"Bill Davis" wrote:

My video card in the PC is set to run at 1920x1080 which is 1080i/p the TV is
1080p. It's only partially microsoft's fault that the screen goes to black
after a BIOS post when I have the computer hooked up to the tv. I say
partially because I had no OS installed on first boot I got the Press any key
to boot from cd message to load the OS so I pressed the key and the screen
went to black there so I assume that eVGA would be the other party
responsible for not sending a signal refresh or there is a problem with the
design of the card itself. I had to hook the computer up to a standard
monitor DVI to DVI to actually install the OS after the install I tested
booting with my computer hooked directly to the TV as well and still got the
black screen after BIOS post. I assumed it would boot and when windows had
actually started that I would get a signal refresh at the login screen but
that obviously isn't the case it sat for 10 mins on a black screen before I
finally just pulled the plug.

"Curious" wrote:

My video card in the PC is set to run at 1920x1080 which is 1080i/p the TV is
1080p. It's only partially microsoft's fault that the screen goes to black
after a BIOS post when I have the computer hooked up to the tv. I say
partially because I had no OS installed on first boot I got the Press any key
to boot from cd message to load the OS so I pressed the key and the screen
went to black there so I assume that eVGA would be the other party
responsible for not sending a signal refresh or there is a problem with the
design of the card itself. I had to hook the computer up to a standard
monitor DVI to DVI to actually install the OS after the install I tested
booting with my computer hooked directly to the TV as well and still got the
black screen after BIOS post. I assumed it would boot and when windows had
actually started that I would get a signal refresh at the login screen but
that obviously isn't the case it sat for 10 mins on a black screen before I
finally just pulled the plug.

"Curious" wrote:

Many 1080p HDTVS will not accept 1080p resolution over their HDMI/DVI
interface they will only accept 1080i and the TV receiver chip de-interlaces
the input to 1080p for display, As suggested try 720p.
"Brock" <Brock@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Many 1080p HDTVS will not accept 1080p resolution over their HDMI/DVI
interface they will only accept 1080i and the TV receiver chip de-interlaces
the input to 1080p for display, As suggested try 720p.
"Brock" <Brock@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:48FE89DF-08A4-4CE9-88C7-C574B116CCE3@microsoft.com...

By the way yes if I uplug the hdmi from the receiver and plug it into the
adapter on the video card I can playback the blu-ray and HD-DVD's, however,
watching television Using "Live TV" in Windows Media Center I still get the
error "Your HDTV does not support HDCP" message displayed on the screen. so
it's not a complete solution. to the problem.

"JW" wrote: