I have notice -- day 4 of learning and using MCE
on a Dell XPS 400 -- dual core and all -- that
the live TV window falls behind a few seconds per
couple of minutes -- if I leave MCE alone
for sevearl hours it is a 30 seconds to +1min behind
and this is if I am recording or not recording....

This is not OKAY -- I want and need live TV to be live.

Is this a known problem?

Is there a solution?

Thanks in advance!

Sincerely,
Kevin Waite

No, it's not a problem, so no there isn't a solution; it's the way a PVR
works. The TV signal is being encoded to an mpeg, buffered (either to the
drive or temporarily to RAM), then read/decoded, and displayed. That is by
design so that you can pause, FF, Rew, etc the show you are watching. AFAIK,
any PVR (TiVo, ReplayTV, etc.) all have a slight time shift in carrying out
this activity.

However, that said, on my TV the different is only a second or two when I
A/B between the MCE image and the direct feed on the TV; so 30sec to a
minute seems like a lot. Maybe if varies depending on hardware. There really
isn't a truly "live" signal; even when using the directly connected cable
signal. I have been on the phone with a friend in another city when we both
had the same TV channel on and one TV would be 5 - 10 seconds shifted from
the other.

Someone else may have some thoughts as well.
--
James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida

buffered to the drive
"Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:94A92F4E-E055-4D18-805A-0433B8FE75AF@microsoft.com...
>I have notice -- day 4 of learning and using MCE
> on a Dell XPS 400 -- dual core and all -- that
> the live TV window falls behind a few seconds per
> couple of minutes -- if I leave MCE alone
> for sevearl hours it is a 30 seconds to +1min behind
> and this is if I am recording or not recording....
>
> This is not OKAY -- I want and need live TV to be live.
>
> Is this a known problem?
>
> Is there a solution?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Sincerely,
> Kevin Waite
>

I think you missed my point -- a fixed few second delay would
be understandable -- and okay -- even though my TIVO box does
all this stuff and has a sub-second delay when I A/B switch test.

The problem I am reporting is that the delay is accumulative! ! ! ! !

The delay between MCE TV window "live" and what is really LIVE TV
grows -- gets incrementally larger over time -- this is BAD -- this is a bug
-- this needs to be fixed --

Sincerely,
Kevin Waite


"Jaime" wrote:

> No, it's not a problem, so no there isn't a solution; it's the way a PVR
> works. The TV signal is being encoded to an mpeg, buffered (either to the
> drive or temporarily to RAM), then read/decoded, and displayed. That is by
> design so that you can pause, FF, Rew, etc the show you are watching. AFAIK,
> any PVR (TiVo, ReplayTV, etc.) all have a slight time shift in carrying out
> this activity.
>
> However, that said, on my TV the different is only a second or two when I
> A/B between the MCE image and the direct feed on the TV; so 30sec to a
> minute seems like a lot. Maybe if varies depending on hardware. There really
> isn't a truly "live" signal; even when using the directly connected cable
> signal. I have been on the phone with a friend in another city when we both
> had the same TV channel on and one TV would be 5 - 10 seconds shifted from
> the other.
>
> Someone else may have some thoughts as well.
> --
> James
> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>
> buffered to the drive
> "Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:94A92F4E-E055-4D18-805A-0433B8FE75AF@microsoft.com...
> >I have notice -- day 4 of learning and using MCE
> > on a Dell XPS 400 -- dual core and all -- that
> > the live TV window falls behind a few seconds per
> > couple of minutes -- if I leave MCE alone
> > for sevearl hours it is a 30 seconds to +1min behind
> > and this is if I am recording or not recording....
> >
> > This is not OKAY -- I want and need live TV to be live.
> >
> > Is this a known problem?
> >
> > Is there a solution?
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Kevin Waite
> >
>
>
>

What TV Tuner?


"Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BC49A2DC-BEA4-4F2D-B423-93DE92B76D31@microsoft.com...
>I think you missed my point -- a fixed few second delay would
> be understandable -- and okay -- even though my TIVO box does
> all this stuff and has a sub-second delay when I A/B switch test.
>
> The problem I am reporting is that the delay is accumulative! ! ! ! !
>
> The delay between MCE TV window "live" and what is really LIVE TV
> grows -- gets incrementally larger over time -- this is BAD -- this is a
> bug
> -- this needs to be fixed --
>
> Sincerely,
> Kevin Waite
>
>
> "Jaime" wrote:
>
>> No, it's not a problem, so no there isn't a solution; it's the way a PVR
>> works. The TV signal is being encoded to an mpeg, buffered (either to the
>> drive or temporarily to RAM), then read/decoded, and displayed. That is
>> by
>> design so that you can pause, FF, Rew, etc the show you are watching.
>> AFAIK,
>> any PVR (TiVo, ReplayTV, etc.) all have a slight time shift in carrying
>> out
>> this activity.
>>
>> However, that said, on my TV the different is only a second or two when I
>> A/B between the MCE image and the direct feed on the TV; so 30sec to a
>> minute seems like a lot. Maybe if varies depending on hardware. There
>> really
>> isn't a truly "live" signal; even when using the directly connected cable
>> signal. I have been on the phone with a friend in another city when we
>> both
>> had the same TV channel on and one TV would be 5 - 10 seconds shifted
>> from
>> the other.
>>
>> Someone else may have some thoughts as well.
>> --
>> James
>> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>>
>> buffered to the drive
>> "Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:94A92F4E-E055-4D18-805A-0433B8FE75AF@microsoft.com...
>> >I have notice -- day 4 of learning and using MCE
>> > on a Dell XPS 400 -- dual core and all -- that
>> > the live TV window falls behind a few seconds per
>> > couple of minutes -- if I leave MCE alone
>> > for sevearl hours it is a 30 seconds to +1min behind
>> > and this is if I am recording or not recording....
>> >
>> > This is not OKAY -- I want and need live TV to be live.
>> >
>> > Is this a known problem?
>> >
>> > Is there a solution?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance!
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Kevin Waite
>> >
>>
>>
>>

I have tried with a Samsug DVR Sat TV (DirectTV) tuner and
with a RCA Sat TV (DirecTV) tuner. But the tuner type isn't
really important -- because the delay -- which is accumulative -- is
taking place between the tuner's output and what is being
displayed in the MCE "so-called-live" TV window.

Thanks.

Sincerely,
Kevin Waite


"Tom Scales" wrote:

> What TV Tuner?
>
>
> "Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:BC49A2DC-BEA4-4F2D-B423-93DE92B76D31@microsoft.com...
> >I think you missed my point -- a fixed few second delay would
> > be understandable -- and okay -- even though my TIVO box does
> > all this stuff and has a sub-second delay when I A/B switch test.
> >
> > The problem I am reporting is that the delay is accumulative! ! ! ! !
> >
> > The delay between MCE TV window "live" and what is really LIVE TV
> > grows -- gets incrementally larger over time -- this is BAD -- this is a
> > bug
> > -- this needs to be fixed --
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Kevin Waite
> >
> >
> > "Jaime" wrote:
> >
> >> No, it's not a problem, so no there isn't a solution; it's the way a PVR
> >> works. The TV signal is being encoded to an mpeg, buffered (either to the
> >> drive or temporarily to RAM), then read/decoded, and displayed. That is
> >> by
> >> design so that you can pause, FF, Rew, etc the show you are watching.
> >> AFAIK,
> >> any PVR (TiVo, ReplayTV, etc.) all have a slight time shift in carrying
> >> out
> >> this activity.
> >>
> >> However, that said, on my TV the different is only a second or two when I
> >> A/B between the MCE image and the direct feed on the TV; so 30sec to a
> >> minute seems like a lot. Maybe if varies depending on hardware. There
> >> really
> >> isn't a truly "live" signal; even when using the directly connected cable
> >> signal. I have been on the phone with a friend in another city when we
> >> both
> >> had the same TV channel on and one TV would be 5 - 10 seconds shifted
> >> from
> >> the other.
> >>
> >> Someone else may have some thoughts as well.
> >> --
> >> James
> >> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
> >>
> >> buffered to the drive
> >> "Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:94A92F4E-E055-4D18-805A-0433B8FE75AF@microsoft.com...
> >> >I have notice -- day 4 of learning and using MCE
> >> > on a Dell XPS 400 -- dual core and all -- that
> >> > the live TV window falls behind a few seconds per
> >> > couple of minutes -- if I leave MCE alone
> >> > for sevearl hours it is a 30 seconds to +1min behind
> >> > and this is if I am recording or not recording....
> >> >
> >> > This is not OKAY -- I want and need live TV to be live.
> >> >
> >> > Is this a known problem?
> >> >
> >> > Is there a solution?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks in advance!
> >> >
> >> > Sincerely,
> >> > Kevin Waite
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

What tv tuner cards are you using on the MCE machine (i.e. what are the
cards that you are plugging the directTV tuners into)?

--
Gary Tsang
Microsoft MVP - Windows XP Shell/User
http://www.microsoft.com/mvp


"Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1CA384C8-47A8-4E69-A76F-1BE6874534C4@microsoft.com...
>I have tried with a Samsug DVR Sat TV (DirectTV) tuner and
> with a RCA Sat TV (DirecTV) tuner. But the tuner type isn't
> really important -- because the delay -- which is accumulative -- is
> taking place between the tuner's output and what is being
> displayed in the MCE "so-called-live" TV window.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
> Kevin Waite
>
>
> "Tom Scales" wrote:
>
>> What TV Tuner?
>>
>>
>> "Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:BC49A2DC-BEA4-4F2D-B423-93DE92B76D31@microsoft.com...
>> >I think you missed my point -- a fixed few second delay would
>> > be understandable -- and okay -- even though my TIVO box does
>> > all this stuff and has a sub-second delay when I A/B switch test.
>> >
>> > The problem I am reporting is that the delay is accumulative! ! ! ! !
>> >
>> > The delay between MCE TV window "live" and what is really LIVE TV
>> > grows -- gets incrementally larger over time -- this is BAD -- this is
>> > a
>> > bug
>> > -- this needs to be fixed --
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Kevin Waite
>> >
>> >
>> > "Jaime" wrote:
>> >
>> >> No, it's not a problem, so no there isn't a solution; it's the way a
>> >> PVR
>> >> works. The TV signal is being encoded to an mpeg, buffered (either to
>> >> the
>> >> drive or temporarily to RAM), then read/decoded, and displayed. That
>> >> is
>> >> by
>> >> design so that you can pause, FF, Rew, etc the show you are watching.
>> >> AFAIK,
>> >> any PVR (TiVo, ReplayTV, etc.) all have a slight time shift in
>> >> carrying
>> >> out
>> >> this activity.
>> >>
>> >> However, that said, on my TV the different is only a second or two
>> >> when I
>> >> A/B between the MCE image and the direct feed on the TV; so 30sec to a
>> >> minute seems like a lot. Maybe if varies depending on hardware. There
>> >> really
>> >> isn't a truly "live" signal; even when using the directly connected
>> >> cable
>> >> signal. I have been on the phone with a friend in another city when we
>> >> both
>> >> had the same TV channel on and one TV would be 5 - 10 seconds shifted
>> >> from
>> >> the other.
>> >>
>> >> Someone else may have some thoughts as well.
>> >> --
>> >> James
>> >> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>> >>
>> >> buffered to the drive
>> >> "Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:94A92F4E-E055-4D18-805A-0433B8FE75AF@microsoft.com...
>> >> >I have notice -- day 4 of learning and using MCE
>> >> > on a Dell XPS 400 -- dual core and all -- that
>> >> > the live TV window falls behind a few seconds per
>> >> > couple of minutes -- if I leave MCE alone
>> >> > for sevearl hours it is a 30 seconds to +1min behind
>> >> > and this is if I am recording or not recording....
>> >> >
>> >> > This is not OKAY -- I want and need live TV to be live.
>> >> >
>> >> > Is this a known problem?
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there a solution?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks in advance!
>> >> >
>> >> > Sincerely,
>> >> > Kevin Waite
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

I am not sure --- it was a system from DELL -- an XPS 400 MCE
system -- I think it is Sonic or -- the codec from Device Manager
is Angel MPEG device --

Does this help?

Thanks.

Sincerely,
Kevin Waite


"Gary Tsang" wrote:

> What tv tuner cards are you using on the MCE machine (i.e. what are the
> cards that you are plugging the directTV tuners into)?
>
> --
> Gary Tsang
> Microsoft MVP - Windows XP Shell/User
> http://www.microsoft.com/mvp
>
>
> "Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1CA384C8-47A8-4E69-A76F-1BE6874534C4@microsoft.com...
> >I have tried with a Samsug DVR Sat TV (DirectTV) tuner and
> > with a RCA Sat TV (DirecTV) tuner. But the tuner type isn't
> > really important -- because the delay -- which is accumulative -- is
> > taking place between the tuner's output and what is being
> > displayed in the MCE "so-called-live" TV window.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Kevin Waite
> >
> >
> > "Tom Scales" wrote:
> >
> >> What TV Tuner?
> >>
> >>
> >> "Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:BC49A2DC-BEA4-4F2D-B423-93DE92B76D31@microsoft.com...
> >> >I think you missed my point -- a fixed few second delay would
> >> > be understandable -- and okay -- even though my TIVO box does
> >> > all this stuff and has a sub-second delay when I A/B switch test.
> >> >
> >> > The problem I am reporting is that the delay is accumulative! ! ! ! !
> >> >
> >> > The delay between MCE TV window "live" and what is really LIVE TV
> >> > grows -- gets incrementally larger over time -- this is BAD -- this is
> >> > a
> >> > bug
> >> > -- this needs to be fixed --
> >> >
> >> > Sincerely,
> >> > Kevin Waite
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Jaime" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> No, it's not a problem, so no there isn't a solution; it's the way a
> >> >> PVR
> >> >> works. The TV signal is being encoded to an mpeg, buffered (either to
> >> >> the
> >> >> drive or temporarily to RAM), then read/decoded, and displayed. That
> >> >> is
> >> >> by
> >> >> design so that you can pause, FF, Rew, etc the show you are watching.
> >> >> AFAIK,
> >> >> any PVR (TiVo, ReplayTV, etc.) all have a slight time shift in
> >> >> carrying
> >> >> out
> >> >> this activity.
> >> >>
> >> >> However, that said, on my TV the different is only a second or two
> >> >> when I
> >> >> A/B between the MCE image and the direct feed on the TV; so 30sec to a
> >> >> minute seems like a lot. Maybe if varies depending on hardware. There
> >> >> really
> >> >> isn't a truly "live" signal; even when using the directly connected
> >> >> cable
> >> >> signal. I have been on the phone with a friend in another city when we
> >> >> both
> >> >> had the same TV channel on and one TV would be 5 - 10 seconds shifted
> >> >> from
> >> >> the other.
> >> >>
> >> >> Someone else may have some thoughts as well.
> >> >> --
> >> >> James
> >> >> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
> >> >>
> >> >> buffered to the drive
> >> >> "Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:94A92F4E-E055-4D18-805A-0433B8FE75AF@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >I have notice -- day 4 of learning and using MCE
> >> >> > on a Dell XPS 400 -- dual core and all -- that
> >> >> > the live TV window falls behind a few seconds per
> >> >> > couple of minutes -- if I leave MCE alone
> >> >> > for sevearl hours it is a 30 seconds to +1min behind
> >> >> > and this is if I am recording or not recording....
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This is not OKAY -- I want and need live TV to be live.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Is this a known problem?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Is there a solution?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks in advance!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sincerely,
> >> >> > Kevin Waite
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Well, it's still not a bug if you are the only having this problem; I have
been on this board for a year or so since I built my system and I don't
recall anyone else having this issure. It would seem to have more to do with
your specific components or possible something else running on your system.
--
James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida

"Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BC49A2DC-BEA4-4F2D-B423-93DE92B76D31@microsoft.com...
>I think you missed my point -- a fixed few second delay would
> be understandable -- and okay -- even though my TIVO box does
> all this stuff and has a sub-second delay when I A/B switch test.
>
> The problem I am reporting is that the delay is accumulative! ! ! ! !
>
> The delay between MCE TV window "live" and what is really LIVE TV
> grows -- gets incrementally larger over time -- this is BAD -- this is a
> bug
> -- this needs to be fixed --
>
> Sincerely,
> Kevin Waite
>
>
> "Jaime" wrote:
>
>> No, it's not a problem, so no there isn't a solution; it's the way a PVR
>> works. The TV signal is being encoded to an mpeg, buffered (either to the
>> drive or temporarily to RAM), then read/decoded, and displayed. That is
>> by
>> design so that you can pause, FF, Rew, etc the show you are watching.
>> AFAIK,
>> any PVR (TiVo, ReplayTV, etc.) all have a slight time shift in carrying
>> out
>> this activity.
>>
>> However, that said, on my TV the different is only a second or two when I
>> A/B between the MCE image and the direct feed on the TV; so 30sec to a
>> minute seems like a lot. Maybe if varies depending on hardware. There
>> really
>> isn't a truly "live" signal; even when using the directly connected cable
>> signal. I have been on the phone with a friend in another city when we
>> both
>> had the same TV channel on and one TV would be 5 - 10 seconds shifted
>> from
>> the other.
>>
>> Someone else may have some thoughts as well.
>> --
>> James
>> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>>
>> buffered to the drive
>> "Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:94A92F4E-E055-4D18-805A-0433B8FE75AF@microsoft.com...
>> >I have notice -- day 4 of learning and using MCE
>> > on a Dell XPS 400 -- dual core and all -- that
>> > the live TV window falls behind a few seconds per
>> > couple of minutes -- if I leave MCE alone
>> > for sevearl hours it is a 30 seconds to +1min behind
>> > and this is if I am recording or not recording....
>> >
>> > This is not OKAY -- I want and need live TV to be live.
>> >
>> > Is this a known problem?
>> >
>> > Is there a solution?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance!
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Kevin Waite
>> >
>>
>>
>>

If I had to guess, I'd see what is running in the background and consuming
cycles.

It should work!


"Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2BDF8531-A0FF-4C9A-8952-5CE0CAEEAEF3@microsoft.com...
>I am not sure --- it was a system from DELL -- an XPS 400 MCE
> system -- I think it is Sonic or -- the codec from Device Manager
> is Angel MPEG device --
>
> Does this help?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
> Kevin Waite
>
>
> "Gary Tsang" wrote:
>
>> What tv tuner cards are you using on the MCE machine (i.e. what are the
>> cards that you are plugging the directTV tuners into)?
>>
>> --
>> Gary Tsang
>> Microsoft MVP - Windows XP Shell/User
>> http://www.microsoft.com/mvp
>>
>>
>> "Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:1CA384C8-47A8-4E69-A76F-1BE6874534C4@microsoft.com...
>> >I have tried with a Samsug DVR Sat TV (DirectTV) tuner and
>> > with a RCA Sat TV (DirecTV) tuner. But the tuner type isn't
>> > really important -- because the delay -- which is accumulative -- is
>> > taking place between the tuner's output and what is being
>> > displayed in the MCE "so-called-live" TV window.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Kevin Waite
>> >
>> >
>> > "Tom Scales" wrote:
>> >
>> >> What TV Tuner?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:BC49A2DC-BEA4-4F2D-B423-93DE92B76D31@microsoft.com...
>> >> >I think you missed my point -- a fixed few second delay would
>> >> > be understandable -- and okay -- even though my TIVO box does
>> >> > all this stuff and has a sub-second delay when I A/B switch test.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem I am reporting is that the delay is accumulative! ! ! !
>> >> > !
>> >> >
>> >> > The delay between MCE TV window "live" and what is really LIVE TV
>> >> > grows -- gets incrementally larger over time -- this is BAD -- this
>> >> > is
>> >> > a
>> >> > bug
>> >> > -- this needs to be fixed --
>> >> >
>> >> > Sincerely,
>> >> > Kevin Waite
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Jaime" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> No, it's not a problem, so no there isn't a solution; it's the way
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> PVR
>> >> >> works. The TV signal is being encoded to an mpeg, buffered (either
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> drive or temporarily to RAM), then read/decoded, and displayed.
>> >> >> That
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> by
>> >> >> design so that you can pause, FF, Rew, etc the show you are
>> >> >> watching.
>> >> >> AFAIK,
>> >> >> any PVR (TiVo, ReplayTV, etc.) all have a slight time shift in
>> >> >> carrying
>> >> >> out
>> >> >> this activity.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> However, that said, on my TV the different is only a second or two
>> >> >> when I
>> >> >> A/B between the MCE image and the direct feed on the TV; so 30sec
>> >> >> to a
>> >> >> minute seems like a lot. Maybe if varies depending on hardware.
>> >> >> There
>> >> >> really
>> >> >> isn't a truly "live" signal; even when using the directly connected
>> >> >> cable
>> >> >> signal. I have been on the phone with a friend in another city when
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> both
>> >> >> had the same TV channel on and one TV would be 5 - 10 seconds
>> >> >> shifted
>> >> >> from
>> >> >> the other.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Someone else may have some thoughts as well.
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> James
>> >> >> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>> >> >>
>> >> >> buffered to the drive
>> >> >> "Kevin_Waite" <KevinWaite@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> >> message
>> >> >> news:94A92F4E-E055-4D18-805A-0433B8FE75AF@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >I have notice -- day 4 of learning and using MCE
>> >> >> > on a Dell XPS 400 -- dual core and all -- that
>> >> >> > the live TV window falls behind a few seconds per
>> >> >> > couple of minutes -- if I leave MCE alone
>> >> >> > for sevearl hours it is a 30 seconds to +1min behind
>> >> >> > and this is if I am recording or not recording....
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > This is not OKAY -- I want and need live TV to be live.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Is this a known problem?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Is there a solution?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks in advance!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Sincerely,
>> >> >> > Kevin Waite
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

"Jaime" <jaimelobo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:u$xYkiT6FHA.476@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> No, it's not a problem, so no there isn't a solution; it's the way a PVR
> works.

It IS a problem and MS just doesn't want to provide a solution and it's NOT
how a PVR works.

Live TV is LIVE, not 3 seconds behind... IF I hit PAUSE or RECORD I would
THEN expect the buffering to start occuring.

IF MS is such a stickler over this, ADD AN OPTION in the Setup, or a
seperate "LiveTV" and "PVR" buttons to My TV

My Cable HD PVR does not work that way it encodes the the analog live TV
signal after it displays it not before. I could tell this by watching a
sporting event and listening to the same even on Radion. It is the encoding
process that causes the delay and I see that on my HD PVR also since the
programs that are encoded and sent over a networks digital channel are about
2 seconds behind their analog station counter parts whicn are also being
held in a time shift buffer. The writing to disk of the time shift buffer
does not cause as delay since the data is still in memory when it "read back
from disk" and sent to the decoder so no disk read is actually required.


"Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
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> "Jaime" <jaimelobo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> No, it's not a problem, so no there isn't a solution; it's the way a PVR
>> works.
>
> It IS a problem and MS just doesn't want to provide a solution and it's
> NOT how a PVR works.
>
> Live TV is LIVE, not 3 seconds behind... IF I hit PAUSE or RECORD I would
> THEN expect the buffering to start occuring.
>
> IF MS is such a stickler over this, ADD AN OPTION in the Setup, or a
> seperate "LiveTV" and "PVR" buttons to My TV
>

My friend's TiVo has a similar delay, granted it might be a little less than
the 1-2 seconds on my MCE system, but there is a delay. Kind of like the
difference between a switching UPS and a true UPS - one still runs off the
live power and "hopes" to jump to the backup in the event of a power loss;
the other is always getting power through the battery reserve. Personally,
I'd rather have the instantaneous pause. In your scenario (the buffer isn't
filling all the time) how do you rewind?

As I have mentioned before, what's the big deal, who gives a crap about it
being 2 seconds behind? There is more delay than that from one cable system
to the next or between cable and a rooftop antenna. It's not something worth
raising your blood pressure over.
--
James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida

"Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
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> "Jaime" <jaimelobo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:u$xYkiT6FHA.476@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> No, it's not a problem, so no there isn't a solution; it's the way a PVR
>> works.
>
> It IS a problem and MS just doesn't want to provide a solution and it's
> NOT how a PVR works.
>
> Live TV is LIVE, not 3 seconds behind... IF I hit PAUSE or RECORD I would
> THEN expect the buffering to start occuring.
>
> IF MS is such a stickler over this, ADD AN OPTION in the Setup, or a
> seperate "LiveTV" and "PVR" buttons to My TV
>

"Jaime" <jaimelobo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> My friend's TiVo has a similar delay, granted it might be a little less
> than the 1-2 seconds on my MCE system, but there is a delay. Kind of like
> the difference between a switching UPS and a true UPS - one still runs off
> the live power and "hopes" to jump to the backup in the event of a power
> loss; the other is always getting power through the battery reserve.
> Personally, I'd rather have the instantaneous pause. In your scenario (the
> buffer isn't filling all the time) how do you rewind?

You hit Record whenever you plan on using the PVR functionality to start
bufferring.

> As I have mentioned before, what's the big deal, who gives a crap about it
> being 2 seconds behind?

Ever try to control a STB or game console with a 2 second delay?

I can't use the MCE box as our main TV because the wife hates that she can
hit the channel up/down buttons about 5 times before she sees the channel
change... and that's just one example of how annoying it is.

> There is more delay than that from one cable system to the next or between
> cable and a rooftop antenna. It's not something worth raising your blood
> pressure over.

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:11:28 GMT, "Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote:

>You hit Record whenever you plan on using the PVR functionality to start
>bufferring.

That doesn't make sense if you want to rewind to view something again.

--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

"Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
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> "Jaime" <jaimelobo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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In your scenario (the buffer isn't filling all the time) how do you rewind?
>
> You hit Record whenever you plan on using the PVR functionality to start
> bufferring.
>
That doesn't help if you had been watching a show "live", then want to go
back to something you missed, you could only buffer from when you start
recording.

> In your scenario (the buffer isn't filling all the time) how do you
> rewind?
>>
>> You hit Record whenever you plan on using the PVR functionality to start
>> bufferring.
>>
> That doesn't help if you had been watching a show "live", then want to go
> back to something you missed, you could only buffer from when you start
> recording.

Your all missing the point...

PVR is NOT Live TV...

Replace PVR with VCR in the above messages and you'll see what I mean.

I don't understand unless you are trying to say that if you have made use of
the PVR functionality on a PVR capable STB by pausing or backing up that you
are no longer watching Live TV. However if you have a PVR capable Cable or
Satellite STB that does not do its PVR encoding before diplaying Live TV and
you have not paused or backed up what you are watching then you are in fact
watching Live TV.

"Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
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>> In your scenario (the buffer isn't filling all the time) how do you
>> rewind?
>>>
>>> You hit Record whenever you plan on using the PVR functionality to start
>>> bufferring.
>>>
>> That doesn't help if you had been watching a show "live", then want to go
>> back to something you missed, you could only buffer from when you start
>> recording.
>
> Your all missing the point...
>
> PVR is NOT Live TV...
>
> Replace PVR with VCR in the above messages and you'll see what I mean.
>

>>PVR is NOT Live TV...
>>
>>Replace PVR with VCR in the above messages and you'll see what I mean.
>
> That's not an apposite analogy. I cannot pause/rewind/FF a Live show on a
> VCR
> like I can with MCE or any other PVR. A couple of seconds delay for Live
> TV is a
> small price to pay for this ability.
>
> BTW No TV is live. There is always a temporal delay compared to the studio
> especially with encoding to digital. Just try playing a satellite channel
> alongside the same one being broadcast terrestrially.

On my Motorola 6200 HD PVR I hit CHANNEL UP or CHANNEL DOWN and the channel
changes almost instantly. This is a PVR.

On my MCE box, I hit channel up, the channel on my cable box changes and
two+ seconds later the TV shows the new channel.

As long as it says Live TV, I expect to see any signal changes occur
immediately on my TV.

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:42:14 GMT, "Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote:

>> In your scenario (the buffer isn't filling all the time) how do you
>> rewind?
>>>
>>> You hit Record whenever you plan on using the PVR functionality to start
>>> bufferring.
>>>
>> That doesn't help if you had been watching a show "live", then want to go
>> back to something you missed, you could only buffer from when you start
>> recording.
>
>Your all missing the point...
>
>PVR is NOT Live TV...
>
>Replace PVR with VCR in the above messages and you'll see what I mean.

That's not an apposite analogy. I cannot pause/rewind/FF a Live show on a VCR
like I can with MCE or any other PVR. A couple of seconds delay for Live TV is a
small price to pay for this ability.

BTW No TV is live. There is always a temporal delay compared to the studio
especially with encoding to digital. Just try playing a satellite channel
alongside the same one being broadcast terrestrially.

--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

"Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
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> On my Motorola 6200 HD PVR I hit CHANNEL UP or CHANNEL DOWN and the
> channel changes almost instantly. This is a PVR.
>
> On my MCE box, I hit channel up, the channel on my cable box changes and
> two+ seconds later the TV shows the new channel.
>
> As long as it says Live TV, I expect to see any signal changes occur
> immediately on my TV.

But that delay has little to do with the PVR functioning in MCE, it is more
to do with the translation of the IR command from the MCE remote to the
receiver, through the USB cable, in to the PC, and back out through the IR
blaster to your STB.

My system is plugged directly into analog cable and the channel change is
virtually immediate; in fact one friend who has the Brighthouse
(Time-Warner) cable box is amazed by how quickly MCE changes channels
compared to his setup.

--
James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida