Is upgrading from MCE2004 to MCE2005 worth it?
Especially considering MS doesn't offer support and HP doesn't offer the
upgrade. It seem I'll only be able to get it on ebay or something.

"xmix77" wrote:

> I am afraid that you will have no luck in getting an upgrade. Most major
> manufacturers are not interested in supplying upgrades to this version of
> windows, as they are calling a "Consumer electronic device", so, just like
> your home video - you will never get the latest functions. Microsoft are
> extremely bad at support on this issue. I have spent nearly 8 months chasing
> Microsoft and my PC manufacturer about this, but neither are interested.
> Microsoft do not support anyone using MCE - they only offer this version of
> Windows as an OEM product - you cannot buy in in the shops. My advice, is to
> buy an OEM version of MCE2005 yourself (you will usually have to buy a piece
> of hardware to qualify for this). The downside, is that you will get no help
> in installing or manitaining this, and if anything does go wrong, HP will not
> support you because you have changed the operating system. This is a major
> failing of Microsoft, and yet again demonstrates that big companies are only
> interested in getting your money, and dont care about aftersales support.
> Some people will help you with this (including me), but as every macine is
> different, it will cost money.
>
> Microsoft should sit up and listen - there are many, many people out there
> with this same problem and yet MS doesnt care about any of us!
>
> Come on MS - your sitting on billions of dollars - im sure if you wanted,
> you could easily provide updates!
>
> "tmwantz" wrote:
>
> > I have a HP media center 873n and would like to upgrade to the media center
> > 2005 software. Can someone tell me where I need to go to get this update? I
> > know I will probably have to call HP, but does anyone have a number.

If you want dual tuners and over the air HDTV capability, then yes, its worth it.

--
Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart Display\Security
Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
http://www.dougknox.com
--------------------------------
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http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
--------------------------------
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"dJohn" <dJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:FDE525F6-DFD5-4823-8861-B83923974972@microsoft.com...
> Is upgrading from MCE2004 to MCE2005 worth it?
> Especially considering MS doesn't offer support and HP doesn't offer the
> upgrade. It seem I'll only be able to get it on ebay or something.
>
> "xmix77" wrote:
>
>> I am afraid that you will have no luck in getting an upgrade. Most major
>> manufacturers are not interested in supplying upgrades to this version of
>> windows, as they are calling a "Consumer electronic device", so, just like
>> your home video - you will never get the latest functions. Microsoft are
>> extremely bad at support on this issue. I have spent nearly 8 months chasing
>> Microsoft and my PC manufacturer about this, but neither are interested.
>> Microsoft do not support anyone using MCE - they only offer this version of
>> Windows as an OEM product - you cannot buy in in the shops. My advice, is to
>> buy an OEM version of MCE2005 yourself (you will usually have to buy a piece
>> of hardware to qualify for this). The downside, is that you will get no help
>> in installing or manitaining this, and if anything does go wrong, HP will not
>> support you because you have changed the operating system. This is a major
>> failing of Microsoft, and yet again demonstrates that big companies are only
>> interested in getting your money, and dont care about aftersales support.
>> Some people will help you with this (including me), but as every macine is
>> different, it will cost money.
>>
>> Microsoft should sit up and listen - there are many, many people out there
>> with this same problem and yet MS doesnt care about any of us!
>>
>> Come on MS - your sitting on billions of dollars - im sure if you wanted,
>> you could easily provide updates!
>>
>> "tmwantz" wrote:
>>
>> > I have a HP media center 873n and would like to upgrade to the media center
>> > 2005 software. Can someone tell me where I need to go to get this update? I
>> > know I will probably have to call HP, but does anyone have a number.

HDTV is still a ways off for me. Dual tuners would be nice, but that involves
upgrading hardware, doesn't it?

My interest in WME2005 was the built-in capability to burn DVD's of TV
programs. How is that working out? What format does it record in? Is there
another way to do this? If it is simply a matter of copying the .dvr-ms file,
it doesn't seem worth it since an hour's show is more than 3GB. Thanks for
your insight. John

"Doug Knox MS-MVP" wrote:

> If you want dual tuners and over the air HDTV capability, then yes, its worth it.
>
> --
> Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart Display\Security
> Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
> http://www.dougknox.com
> --------------------------------
> Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro
> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
> --------------------------------
> Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
> Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.
>
> "dJohn" <dJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:FDE525F6-DFD5-4823-8861-B83923974972@microsoft.com...
> > Is upgrading from MCE2004 to MCE2005 worth it?
> > Especially considering MS doesn't offer support and HP doesn't offer the
> > upgrade. It seem I'll only be able to get it on ebay or something.
> >
> > "xmix77" wrote:
> >
> >> I am afraid that you will have no luck in getting an upgrade. Most major
> >> manufacturers are not interested in supplying upgrades to this version of
> >> windows, as they are calling a "Consumer electronic device", so, just like
> >> your home video - you will never get the latest functions. Microsoft are
> >> extremely bad at support on this issue. I have spent nearly 8 months chasing
> >> Microsoft and my PC manufacturer about this, but neither are interested.
> >> Microsoft do not support anyone using MCE - they only offer this version of
> >> Windows as an OEM product - you cannot buy in in the shops. My advice, is to
> >> buy an OEM version of MCE2005 yourself (you will usually have to buy a piece
> >> of hardware to qualify for this). The downside, is that you will get no help
> >> in installing or manitaining this, and if anything does go wrong, HP will not
> >> support you because you have changed the operating system. This is a major
> >> failing of Microsoft, and yet again demonstrates that big companies are only
> >> interested in getting your money, and dont care about aftersales support.
> >> Some people will help you with this (including me), but as every macine is
> >> different, it will cost money.
> >>
> >> Microsoft should sit up and listen - there are many, many people out there
> >> with this same problem and yet MS doesnt care about any of us!
> >>
> >> Come on MS - your sitting on billions of dollars - im sure if you wanted,
> >> you could easily provide updates!
> >>
> >> "tmwantz" wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have a HP media center 873n and would like to upgrade to the media center
> >> > 2005 software. Can someone tell me where I need to go to get this update? I
> >> > know I will probably have to call HP, but does anyone have a number.
>

Yes, you would have to buy another tuner, if you want to use the dual tuner
feature.

Yes, you can get about 1 hour or so on a DVD, that has nothing to do with
MCE, the DVD disc only holds 4.7gig. If you have dual-layer, you can fit
more on (of course the DL discs cost is more than twice a single layer
disc).
--
James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida

"dJohn" <dJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BC724EBD-3BA8-4F1D-A7FA-5659F136D63A@microsoft.com...
> HDTV is still a ways off for me. Dual tuners would be nice, but that
> involves
> upgrading hardware, doesn't it?
>
> My interest in WME2005 was the built-in capability to burn DVD's of TV
> programs. How is that working out? What format does it record in? Is there
> another way to do this? If it is simply a matter of copying the .dvr-ms
> file,
> it doesn't seem worth it since an hour's show is more than 3GB. Thanks for
> your insight. John
>
> "Doug Knox MS-MVP" wrote:
>
>> If you want dual tuners and over the air HDTV capability, then yes, its
>> worth it.
>>
>> --
>> Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart
>> Display\Security
>> Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
>> http://www.dougknox.com
>> --------------------------------
>> Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro
>> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
>> --------------------------------
>> Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
>> Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.
>>
>> "dJohn" <dJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:FDE525F6-DFD5-4823-8861-B83923974972@microsoft.com...
>> > Is upgrading from MCE2004 to MCE2005 worth it?
>> > Especially considering MS doesn't offer support and HP doesn't offer
>> > the
>> > upgrade. It seem I'll only be able to get it on ebay or something.
>> >
>> > "xmix77" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am afraid that you will have no luck in getting an upgrade. Most
>> >> major
>> >> manufacturers are not interested in supplying upgrades to this version
>> >> of
>> >> windows, as they are calling a "Consumer electronic device", so, just
>> >> like
>> >> your home video - you will never get the latest functions. Microsoft
>> >> are
>> >> extremely bad at support on this issue. I have spent nearly 8 months
>> >> chasing
>> >> Microsoft and my PC manufacturer about this, but neither are
>> >> interested.
>> >> Microsoft do not support anyone using MCE - they only offer this
>> >> version of
>> >> Windows as an OEM product - you cannot buy in in the shops. My
>> >> advice, is to
>> >> buy an OEM version of MCE2005 yourself (you will usually have to buy a
>> >> piece
>> >> of hardware to qualify for this). The downside, is that you will get
>> >> no help
>> >> in installing or manitaining this, and if anything does go wrong, HP
>> >> will not
>> >> support you because you have changed the operating system. This is a
>> >> major
>> >> failing of Microsoft, and yet again demonstrates that big companies
>> >> are only
>> >> interested in getting your money, and dont care about aftersales
>> >> support.
>> >> Some people will help you with this (including me), but as every
>> >> macine is
>> >> different, it will cost money.
>> >>
>> >> Microsoft should sit up and listen - there are many, many people out
>> >> there
>> >> with this same problem and yet MS doesnt care about any of us!
>> >>
>> >> Come on MS - your sitting on billions of dollars - im sure if you
>> >> wanted,
>> >> you could easily provide updates!
>> >>
>> >> "tmwantz" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I have a HP media center 873n and would like to upgrade to the media
>> >> > center
>> >> > 2005 software. Can someone tell me where I need to go to get this
>> >> > update? I
>> >> > know I will probably have to call HP, but does anyone have a number.
>>

How is it that commercial DVDs hold 4-6 hours of video?

"Jaime" wrote:

> Yes, you would have to buy another tuner, if you want to use the dual tuner
> feature.
>
> Yes, you can get about 1 hour or so on a DVD, that has nothing to do with
> MCE, the DVD disc only holds 4.7gig. If you have dual-layer, you can fit
> more on (of course the DL discs cost is more than twice a single layer
> disc).
> --
> James
> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>
> "dJohn" <dJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:BC724EBD-3BA8-4F1D-A7FA-5659F136D63A@microsoft.com...
> > HDTV is still a ways off for me. Dual tuners would be nice, but that
> > involves
> > upgrading hardware, doesn't it?
> >
> > My interest in WME2005 was the built-in capability to burn DVD's of TV
> > programs. How is that working out? What format does it record in? Is there
> > another way to do this? If it is simply a matter of copying the .dvr-ms
> > file,
> > it doesn't seem worth it since an hour's show is more than 3GB. Thanks for
> > your insight. John
> >
> > "Doug Knox MS-MVP" wrote:
> >
> >> If you want dual tuners and over the air HDTV capability, then yes, its
> >> worth it.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart
> >> Display\Security
> >> Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
> >> http://www.dougknox.com
> >> --------------------------------
> >> Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro
> >> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
> >> --------------------------------
> >> Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
> >> Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.
> >>
> >> "dJohn" <dJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:FDE525F6-DFD5-4823-8861-B83923974972@microsoft.com...
> >> > Is upgrading from MCE2004 to MCE2005 worth it?
> >> > Especially considering MS doesn't offer support and HP doesn't offer
> >> > the
> >> > upgrade. It seem I'll only be able to get it on ebay or something.
> >> >
> >> > "xmix77" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I am afraid that you will have no luck in getting an upgrade. Most
> >> >> major
> >> >> manufacturers are not interested in supplying upgrades to this version
> >> >> of
> >> >> windows, as they are calling a "Consumer electronic device", so, just
> >> >> like
> >> >> your home video - you will never get the latest functions. Microsoft
> >> >> are
> >> >> extremely bad at support on this issue. I have spent nearly 8 months
> >> >> chasing
> >> >> Microsoft and my PC manufacturer about this, but neither are
> >> >> interested.
> >> >> Microsoft do not support anyone using MCE - they only offer this
> >> >> version of
> >> >> Windows as an OEM product - you cannot buy in in the shops. My
> >> >> advice, is to
> >> >> buy an OEM version of MCE2005 yourself (you will usually have to buy a
> >> >> piece
> >> >> of hardware to qualify for this). The downside, is that you will get
> >> >> no help
> >> >> in installing or manitaining this, and if anything does go wrong, HP
> >> >> will not
> >> >> support you because you have changed the operating system. This is a
> >> >> major
> >> >> failing of Microsoft, and yet again demonstrates that big companies
> >> >> are only
> >> >> interested in getting your money, and dont care about aftersales
> >> >> support.
> >> >> Some people will help you with this (including me), but as every
> >> >> macine is
> >> >> different, it will cost money.
> >> >>
> >> >> Microsoft should sit up and listen - there are many, many people out
> >> >> there
> >> >> with this same problem and yet MS doesnt care about any of us!
> >> >>
> >> >> Come on MS - your sitting on billions of dollars - im sure if you
> >> >> wanted,
> >> >> you could easily provide updates!
> >> >>
> >> >> "tmwantz" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I have a HP media center 873n and would like to upgrade to the media
> >> >> > center
> >> >> > 2005 software. Can someone tell me where I need to go to get this
> >> >> > update? I
> >> >> > know I will probably have to call HP, but does anyone have a number.
> >>
>
>
>

If MCE is able to create DVDs that can be played on regular DVD players, then
it must convert the file to a compatible format, which I figured would
compress the data like commercial DVDs do enabling 3-6 hours of video on one
singlesided, single depth disk.

So, can Windows Media Player burn dvds from .dvr-ms files?

"Jaime" wrote:

> Yes, you would have to buy another tuner, if you want to use the dual tuner
> feature.
>
> Yes, you can get about 1 hour or so on a DVD, that has nothing to do with
> MCE, the DVD disc only holds 4.7gig. If you have dual-layer, you can fit
> more on (of course the DL discs cost is more than twice a single layer
> disc).
> --
> James
> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>
> "dJohn" <dJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:BC724EBD-3BA8-4F1D-A7FA-5659F136D63A@microsoft.com...
> > HDTV is still a ways off for me. Dual tuners would be nice, but that
> > involves
> > upgrading hardware, doesn't it?
> >
> > My interest in WME2005 was the built-in capability to burn DVD's of TV
> > programs. How is that working out? What format does it record in? Is there
> > another way to do this? If it is simply a matter of copying the .dvr-ms
> > file,
> > it doesn't seem worth it since an hour's show is more than 3GB. Thanks for
> > your insight. John
> >
> > "Doug Knox MS-MVP" wrote:
> >
> >> If you want dual tuners and over the air HDTV capability, then yes, its
> >> worth it.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart
> >> Display\Security
> >> Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
> >> http://www.dougknox.com
> >> --------------------------------
> >> Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro
> >> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
> >> --------------------------------
> >> Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
> >> Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.
> >>
> >> "dJohn" <dJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:FDE525F6-DFD5-4823-8861-B83923974972@microsoft.com...
> >> > Is upgrading from MCE2004 to MCE2005 worth it?
> >> > Especially considering MS doesn't offer support and HP doesn't offer
> >> > the
> >> > upgrade. It seem I'll only be able to get it on ebay or something.
> >> >
> >> > "xmix77" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I am afraid that you will have no luck in getting an upgrade. Most
> >> >> major
> >> >> manufacturers are not interested in supplying upgrades to this version
> >> >> of
> >> >> windows, as they are calling a "Consumer electronic device", so, just
> >> >> like
> >> >> your home video - you will never get the latest functions. Microsoft
> >> >> are
> >> >> extremely bad at support on this issue. I have spent nearly 8 months
> >> >> chasing
> >> >> Microsoft and my PC manufacturer about this, but neither are
> >> >> interested.
> >> >> Microsoft do not support anyone using MCE - they only offer this
> >> >> version of
> >> >> Windows as an OEM product - you cannot buy in in the shops. My
> >> >> advice, is to
> >> >> buy an OEM version of MCE2005 yourself (you will usually have to buy a
> >> >> piece
> >> >> of hardware to qualify for this). The downside, is that you will get
> >> >> no help
> >> >> in installing or manitaining this, and if anything does go wrong, HP
> >> >> will not
> >> >> support you because you have changed the operating system. This is a
> >> >> major
> >> >> failing of Microsoft, and yet again demonstrates that big companies
> >> >> are only
> >> >> interested in getting your money, and dont care about aftersales
> >> >> support.
> >> >> Some people will help you with this (including me), but as every
> >> >> macine is
> >> >> different, it will cost money.
> >> >>
> >> >> Microsoft should sit up and listen - there are many, many people out
> >> >> there
> >> >> with this same problem and yet MS doesnt care about any of us!
> >> >>
> >> >> Come on MS - your sitting on billions of dollars - im sure if you
> >> >> wanted,
> >> >> you could easily provide updates!
> >> >>
> >> >> "tmwantz" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I have a HP media center 873n and would like to upgrade to the media
> >> >> > center
> >> >> > 2005 software. Can someone tell me where I need to go to get this
> >> >> > update? I
> >> >> > know I will probably have to call HP, but does anyone have a number.
> >>
>
>
>

The short answer is - they don't.

Commercial DVD's aren't the same animal as the typical one you can purchase
to burn, there are various types of DVD formats that can be used for
commercial DVD's::

a.. DVD-5: single sided, single layer, 4.7GB
a.. DVD-9: single sided, double layer, 8.5GB
a.. DVD-10: double sided, single layer on both sides, 9.4 GB
a.. DVD-14: double sided, double layer on one side, single layer on other,
13.3 GB
a.. DVD-18: double sided, double layer on both sides, 17.1 GB

I don't think I have ever seen 6 hours on a commercial single layer DVD,
generally if the content is much over 3 hours, you have to flip or change
the DVD.
--
James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida


"dJohn" <dJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ACD46AF1-0FDD-476D-9759-3CD479319F88@microsoft.com...
> If MCE is able to create DVDs that can be played on regular DVD players,
> then
> it must convert the file to a compatible format, which I figured would
> compress the data like commercial DVDs do enabling 3-6 hours of video on
> one
> singlesided, single depth disk.
>
> So, can Windows Media Player burn dvds from .dvr-ms files?
>
> "Jaime" wrote:
>
>> Yes, you would have to buy another tuner, if you want to use the dual
>> tuner
>> feature.
>>
>> Yes, you can get about 1 hour or so on a DVD, that has nothing to do with
>> MCE, the DVD disc only holds 4.7gig. If you have dual-layer, you can fit
>> more on (of course the DL discs cost is more than twice a single layer
>> disc).
>> --
>> James
>> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>>
>> "dJohn" <dJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:BC724EBD-3BA8-4F1D-A7FA-5659F136D63A@microsoft.com...
>> > HDTV is still a ways off for me. Dual tuners would be nice, but that
>> > involves
>> > upgrading hardware, doesn't it?
>> >
>> > My interest in WME2005 was the built-in capability to burn DVD's of TV
>> > programs. How is that working out? What format does it record in? Is
>> > there
>> > another way to do this? If it is simply a matter of copying the .dvr-ms
>> > file,
>> > it doesn't seem worth it since an hour's show is more than 3GB. Thanks
>> > for
>> > your insight. John
>> >
>> > "Doug Knox MS-MVP" wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you want dual tuners and over the air HDTV capability, then yes,
>> >> its
>> >> worth it.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart
>> >> Display\Security
>> >> Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
>> >> http://www.dougknox.com
>> >> --------------------------------
>> >> Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro
>> >> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
>> >> --------------------------------
>> >> Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
>> >> Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.
>> >>
>> >> "dJohn" <dJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:FDE525F6-DFD5-4823-8861-B83923974972@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Is upgrading from MCE2004 to MCE2005 worth it?
>> >> > Especially considering MS doesn't offer support and HP doesn't offer
>> >> > the
>> >> > upgrade. It seem I'll only be able to get it on ebay or something.
>> >> >
>> >> > "xmix77" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I am afraid that you will have no luck in getting an upgrade. Most
>> >> >> major
>> >> >> manufacturers are not interested in supplying upgrades to this
>> >> >> version
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> windows, as they are calling a "Consumer electronic device", so,
>> >> >> just
>> >> >> like
>> >> >> your home video - you will never get the latest functions.
>> >> >> Microsoft
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> extremely bad at support on this issue. I have spent nearly 8
>> >> >> months
>> >> >> chasing
>> >> >> Microsoft and my PC manufacturer about this, but neither are
>> >> >> interested.
>> >> >> Microsoft do not support anyone using MCE - they only offer this
>> >> >> version of
>> >> >> Windows as an OEM product - you cannot buy in in the shops. My
>> >> >> advice, is to
>> >> >> buy an OEM version of MCE2005 yourself (you will usually have to
>> >> >> buy a
>> >> >> piece
>> >> >> of hardware to qualify for this). The downside, is that you will
>> >> >> get
>> >> >> no help
>> >> >> in installing or manitaining this, and if anything does go wrong,
>> >> >> HP
>> >> >> will not
>> >> >> support you because you have changed the operating system. This is
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> major
>> >> >> failing of Microsoft, and yet again demonstrates that big companies
>> >> >> are only
>> >> >> interested in getting your money, and dont care about aftersales
>> >> >> support.
>> >> >> Some people will help you with this (including me), but as every
>> >> >> macine is
>> >> >> different, it will cost money.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Microsoft should sit up and listen - there are many, many people
>> >> >> out
>> >> >> there
>> >> >> with this same problem and yet MS doesnt care about any of us!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Come on MS - your sitting on billions of dollars - im sure if you
>> >> >> wanted,
>> >> >> you could easily provide updates!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "tmwantz" wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I have a HP media center 873n and would like to upgrade to the
>> >> >> > media
>> >> >> > center
>> >> >> > 2005 software. Can someone tell me where I need to go to get this
>> >> >> > update? I
>> >> >> > know I will probably have to call HP, but does anyone have a
>> >> >> > number.
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

Thanks. I think I'll not bother to update. Sounds like a lot of trouble and
expense for nothing...especially considering the hassles I've read about here
from others who have experienced misery with their upgrades.
You've been a great help.
John

"Jaime" wrote:

> The short answer is - they don't.
>
> Commercial DVD's aren't the same animal as the typical one you can purchase
> to burn, there are various types of DVD formats that can be used for
> commercial DVD's::
>
> a.. DVD-5: single sided, single layer, 4.7GB
> a.. DVD-9: single sided, double layer, 8.5GB
> a.. DVD-10: double sided, single layer on both sides, 9.4 GB
> a.. DVD-14: double sided, double layer on one side, single layer on other,
> 13.3 GB
> a.. DVD-18: double sided, double layer on both sides, 17.1 GB
>
> I don't think I have ever seen 6 hours on a commercial single layer DVD,
> generally if the content is much over 3 hours, you have to flip or change
> the DVD.
> --
> James
> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>
>
> "dJohn" <dJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:ACD46AF1-0FDD-476D-9759-3CD479319F88@microsoft.com...
> > If MCE is able to create DVDs that can be played on regular DVD players,
> > then
> > it must convert the file to a compatible format, which I figured would
> > compress the data like commercial DVDs do enabling 3-6 hours of video on
> > one
> > singlesided, single depth disk.
> >
> > So, can Windows Media Player burn dvds from .dvr-ms files?
> >
> > "Jaime" wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, you would have to buy another tuner, if you want to use the dual
> >> tuner
> >> feature.
> >>
> >> Yes, you can get about 1 hour or so on a DVD, that has nothing to do with
> >> MCE, the DVD disc only holds 4.7gig. If you have dual-layer, you can fit
> >> more on (of course the DL discs cost is more than twice a single layer
> >> disc).
> >> --
> >> James
> >> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
> >>
> >> "dJohn" <dJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:BC724EBD-3BA8-4F1D-A7FA-5659F136D63A@microsoft.com...
> >> > HDTV is still a ways off for me. Dual tuners would be nice, but that
> >> > involves
> >> > upgrading hardware, doesn't it?
> >> >
> >> > My interest in WME2005 was the built-in capability to burn DVD's of TV
> >> > programs. How is that working out? What format does it record in? Is
> >> > there
> >> > another way to do this? If it is simply a matter of copying the .dvr-ms
> >> > file,
> >> > it doesn't seem worth it since an hour's show is more than 3GB. Thanks
> >> > for
> >> > your insight. John
> >> >
> >> > "Doug Knox MS-MVP" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> If you want dual tuners and over the air HDTV capability, then yes,
> >> >> its
> >> >> worth it.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart
> >> >> Display\Security
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> >> >> http://www.dougknox.com
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> >> >>
> >> >> "dJohn" <dJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:FDE525F6-DFD5-4823-8861-B83923974972@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Is upgrading from MCE2004 to MCE2005 worth it?
> >> >> > Especially considering MS doesn't offer support and HP doesn't offer
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > upgrade. It seem I'll only be able to get it on ebay or something.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "xmix77" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I am afraid that you will have no luck in getting an upgrade. Most
> >> >> >> major
> >> >> >> manufacturers are not interested in supplying upgrades to this
> >> >> >> version
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> windows, as they are calling a "Consumer electronic device", so,
> >> >> >> just
> >> >> >> like
> >> >> >> your home video - you will never get the latest functions.
> >> >> >> Microsoft
> >> >> >> are
> >> >> >> extremely bad at support on this issue. I have spent nearly 8
> >> >> >> months
> >> >> >> chasing
> >> >> >> Microsoft and my PC manufacturer about this, but neither are
> >> >> >> interested.
> >> >> >> Microsoft do not support anyone using MCE - they only offer this
> >> >> >> version of
> >> >> >> Windows as an OEM product - you cannot buy in in the shops. My
> >> >> >> advice, is to
> >> >> >> buy an OEM version of MCE2005 yourself (you will usually have to
> >> >> >> buy a
> >> >> >> piece
> >> >> >> of hardware to qualify for this). The downside, is that you will
> >> >> >> get
> >> >> >> no help
> >> >> >> in installing or manitaining this, and if anything does go wrong,
> >> >> >> HP
> >> >> >> will not
> >> >> >> support you because you have changed the operating system. This is
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> major
> >> >> >> failing of Microsoft, and yet again demonstrates that big companies
> >> >> >> are only
> >> >> >> interested in getting your money, and dont care about aftersales
> >> >> >> support.
> >> >> >> Some people will help you with this (including me), but as every
> >> >> >> macine is
> >> >> >> different, it will cost money.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Microsoft should sit up and listen - there are many, many people
> >> >> >> out
> >> >> >> there
> >> >> >> with this same problem and yet MS doesnt care about any of us!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Come on MS - your sitting on billions of dollars - im sure if you
> >> >> >> wanted,
> >> >> >> you could easily provide updates!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "tmwantz" wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > I have a HP media center 873n and would like to upgrade to the
> >> >> >> > media
> >> >> >> > center
> >> >> >> > 2005 software. Can someone tell me where I need to go to get this
> >> >> >> > update? I
> >> >> >> > know I will probably have to call HP, but does anyone have a
> >> >> >> > number.
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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