I have setup the 360 without problems in my wired home network.
The 360 mce however has problems with some (not all) mpeg files. The audio
sync is of by about 0,25 seconds or more.

This happens with some mpg files, and with some files that i converted with
numerous programs (videora, tmpgenc and so on).

As an example a small mpg video works fine on my pc (audio in sync), but
when i use the 360 the audio is out of sync in a bad way. Here are the files
specification :

Size 39mb
TVstandard NTSC
video type mpeg1video
resolution 352x240
Bitrate 1403kbps
navpack NO
Audiotype MP2
Sample Rate 44100
Audio bitrate 224kbps

I am in the EU so i have an European xbox 360 attached to a Plasma screen
with the component HD cable, running at 720p.

I have tried for days now to find a common dominator for this problem, but
cannot find it. The only thing that seem to help is to change the audio
offset by hand for each file. This is too much work.

Anyone else with the same problem, or better solution for this ?

Nothing is out of the ordinary with the video specs below; are you saying
that two files encoded by the same version of the same encoder application
exhibit different behavior when played back?

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"mikemagst" <mikemagst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:97E9BE2E-A906-404D-9F55-E47E97BF5AFE@microsoft.com...
> I have setup the 360 without problems in my wired home network.
> The 360 mce however has problems with some (not all) mpeg files. The audio
> sync is of by about 0,25 seconds or more.
>
> This happens with some mpg files, and with some files that i converted
with
> numerous programs (videora, tmpgenc and so on).
>
> As an example a small mpg video works fine on my pc (audio in sync), but
> when i use the 360 the audio is out of sync in a bad way. Here are the
files
> specification :
>
> Size 39mb
> TVstandard NTSC
> video type mpeg1video
> resolution 352x240
> Bitrate 1403kbps
> navpack NO
> Audiotype MP2
> Sample Rate 44100
> Audio bitrate 224kbps
>
> I am in the EU so i have an European xbox 360 attached to a Plasma screen
> with the component HD cable, running at 720p.
>
> I have tried for days now to find a common dominator for this problem, but
> cannot find it. The only thing that seem to help is to change the audio
> offset by hand for each file. This is too much work.
>
> Anyone else with the same problem, or better solution for this ?
>

Yes it does, the video plays back fine on the pc without any audio sync
problems. However when i have the 360 play it via the MCE it has big audio
sync problems.

So it is the same file, played on the wmce pc and on the 360..


"Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:

> Nothing is out of the ordinary with the video specs below; are you saying
> that two files encoded by the same version of the same encoder application
> exhibit different behavior when played back?
>
>

Which encoder program did you use to create this file? Also, do all files
encoded with this program exhibit this issue?


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"mikemagst" <mikemagst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:40CA5778-2A9E-4635-B95F-B404FAB62393@microsoft.com...
> Yes it does, the video plays back fine on the pc without any audio sync
> problems. However when i have the 360 play it via the MCE it has big audio
> sync problems.
>
> So it is the same file, played on the wmce pc and on the 360..
>
>
> "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
>
> > Nothing is out of the ordinary with the video specs below; are you
saying
> > that two files encoded by the same version of the same encoder
application
> > exhibit different behavior when played back?
> >
> >

All encoder programs give the same result, i have tried : videora 360
converter, winavi, ffmpeg, tmpgenc xpress and manual with vdubmod avi->wav
extraction. All have the same result.

The only way to get these files in sync is with tmpgenc xpress and using the
"cut edit" function to offset the audio with -250ms.

Again not all xvid/divx files have this problem, and not all need the same
offset althoug its close always around 150-400ms and always minus. The funny
bit is that the convertet files with an offset run fine on the 360 and not so
fine on the pc...

I guesstimate that the mpeg2 codec in the 360 is slightly different from the
mpeg codec's that the pc have.


"Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:

> Which encoder program did you use to create this file? Also, do all files
> encoded with this program exhibit this issue?
>
>
> --
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
>
> "mikemagst" <mikemagst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:40CA5778-2A9E-4635-B95F-B404FAB62393@microsoft.com...
> > Yes it does, the video plays back fine on the pc without any audio sync
> > problems. However when i have the 360 play it via the MCE it has big audio
> > sync problems.
> >
> > So it is the same file, played on the wmce pc and on the 360..
> >
> >
> > "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> >
> > > Nothing is out of the ordinary with the video specs below; are you
> saying
> > > that two files encoded by the same version of the same encoder
> application
> > > exhibit different behavior when played back?
> > >
> > >
>
>
>

I too have this problem. Kind of releived that I'm not the only one.

I have several files that I have encoded (using Media Encoder and Videora)
which play perfectly on the PC but lag on the 360. Some start off ok, and get
progressively worse.

I have discovered that the quality of the encoding seems to have some
relation to the problem, with higher quality video seeming more likely to lag
the audio.

I'd love to get to the bottom of this as other than this slight glitch I'm
loving the whole 360 experience!

"mikemagst" wrote:

> All encoder programs give the same result, i have tried : videora 360
> converter, winavi, ffmpeg, tmpgenc xpress and manual with vdubmod avi->wav
> extraction. All have the same result.
>
> The only way to get these files in sync is with tmpgenc xpress and using the
> "cut edit" function to offset the audio with -250ms.
>
> Again not all xvid/divx files have this problem, and not all need the same
> offset althoug its close always around 150-400ms and always minus. The funny
> bit is that the convertet files with an offset run fine on the 360 and not so
> fine on the pc...
>
> I guesstimate that the mpeg2 codec in the 360 is slightly different from the
> mpeg codec's that the pc have.
>
>
> "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
>
> > Which encoder program did you use to create this file? Also, do all files
> > encoded with this program exhibit this issue?
> >
> >
> > --
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
> >
> >
> > "mikemagst" <mikemagst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:40CA5778-2A9E-4635-B95F-B404FAB62393@microsoft.com...
> > > Yes it does, the video plays back fine on the pc without any audio sync
> > > problems. However when i have the 360 play it via the MCE it has big audio
> > > sync problems.
> > >
> > > So it is the same file, played on the wmce pc and on the 360..
> > >
> > >
> > > "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Nothing is out of the ordinary with the video specs below; are you
> > saying
> > > > that two files encoded by the same version of the same encoder
> > application
> > > > exhibit different behavior when played back?
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >

Ah glad to hear i am not the only one, i was slowly starting to question my
ability to mess with pc-console soft and hardware ;-)

The 360 is great, however i bought it mainly for the mce functionality and
saw the game part as a bonus. As it is now i am strongly thinking of putting
the 360 on ebay and going back to a xbox1 with xbmc. That plays 99% of all
video files without problem.

Now how do i get the ugly black xbox1 into the nice and friendly looking 360
case

Without joking now : this audio problem seriously hurts the 360 as a mce
device. Hope MS or the community solves this soon, otherwise its really
forward to the past and back to Xmbc.


"Kaedo" wrote:

> I too have this problem. Kind of releived that I'm not the only one.
>
> I have several files that I have encoded (using Media Encoder and Videora)
> which play perfectly on the PC but lag on the 360. Some start off ok, and get
> progressively worse.
>
> I have discovered that the quality of the encoding seems to have some
> relation to the problem, with higher quality video seeming more likely to lag
> the audio.
>
> I'd love to get to the bottom of this as other than this slight glitch I'm
> loving the whole 360 experience!
>
> "mikemagst" wrote:
>
> > All encoder programs give the same result, i have tried : videora 360
> > converter, winavi, ffmpeg, tmpgenc xpress and manual with vdubmod avi->wav
> > extraction. All have the same result.
> >
> > The only way to get these files in sync is with tmpgenc xpress and using the
> > "cut edit" function to offset the audio with -250ms.
> >
> > Again not all xvid/divx files have this problem, and not all need the same
> > offset althoug its close always around 150-400ms and always minus. The funny
> > bit is that the convertet files with an offset run fine on the 360 and not so
> > fine on the pc...
> >
> > I guesstimate that the mpeg2 codec in the 360 is slightly different from the
> > mpeg codec's that the pc have.
> >
> >
> > "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> >
> > > Which encoder program did you use to create this file? Also, do all files
> > > encoded with this program exhibit this issue?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
> > >
> > >
> > > "mikemagst" <mikemagst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:40CA5778-2A9E-4635-B95F-B404FAB62393@microsoft.com...
> > > > Yes it does, the video plays back fine on the pc without any audio sync
> > > > problems. However when i have the 360 play it via the MCE it has big audio
> > > > sync problems.
> > > >
> > > > So it is the same file, played on the wmce pc and on the 360..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Nothing is out of the ordinary with the video specs below; are you
> > > saying
> > > > > that two files encoded by the same version of the same encoder
> > > application
> > > > > exhibit different behavior when played back?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

Do all files encoded with these apps exhibit this behavior?

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"mikemagst" <mikemagst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9D4E2CA8-F072-4210-94A6-3FE972381ED0@microsoft.com...
> Ah glad to hear i am not the only one, i was slowly starting to question
my
> ability to mess with pc-console soft and hardware ;-)
>
> The 360 is great, however i bought it mainly for the mce functionality and
> saw the game part as a bonus. As it is now i am strongly thinking of
putting
> the 360 on ebay and going back to a xbox1 with xbmc. That plays 99% of all
> video files without problem.
>
> Now how do i get the ugly black xbox1 into the nice and friendly looking
360
> case
>
> Without joking now : this audio problem seriously hurts the 360 as a mce
> device. Hope MS or the community solves this soon, otherwise its really
> forward to the past and back to Xmbc.
>
>
> "Kaedo" wrote:
>
> > I too have this problem. Kind of releived that I'm not the only one.
> >
> > I have several files that I have encoded (using Media Encoder and
Videora)
> > which play perfectly on the PC but lag on the 360. Some start off ok,
and get
> > progressively worse.
> >
> > I have discovered that the quality of the encoding seems to have some
> > relation to the problem, with higher quality video seeming more likely
to lag
> > the audio.
> >
> > I'd love to get to the bottom of this as other than this slight glitch
I'm
> > loving the whole 360 experience!
> >
> > "mikemagst" wrote:
> >
> > > All encoder programs give the same result, i have tried : videora 360
> > > converter, winavi, ffmpeg, tmpgenc xpress and manual with vdubmod
avi->wav
> > > extraction. All have the same result.
> > >
> > > The only way to get these files in sync is with tmpgenc xpress and
using the
> > > "cut edit" function to offset the audio with -250ms.
> > >
> > > Again not all xvid/divx files have this problem, and not all need the
same
> > > offset althoug its close always around 150-400ms and always minus. The
funny
> > > bit is that the convertet files with an offset run fine on the 360 and
not so
> > > fine on the pc...
> > >
> > > I guesstimate that the mpeg2 codec in the 360 is slightly different
from the
> > > mpeg codec's that the pc have.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Which encoder program did you use to create this file? Also, do all
files
> > > > encoded with this program exhibit this issue?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "mikemagst" <mikemagst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:40CA5778-2A9E-4635-B95F-B404FAB62393@microsoft.com...
> > > > > Yes it does, the video plays back fine on the pc without any audio
sync
> > > > > problems. However when i have the 360 play it via the MCE it has
big audio
> > > > > sync problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > So it is the same file, played on the wmce pc and on the 360..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Nothing is out of the ordinary with the video specs below; are
you
> > > > saying
> > > > > > that two files encoded by the same version of the same encoder
> > > > application
> > > > > > exhibit different behavior when played back?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

>"Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> Do all files encoded with these apps exhibit this behavior?

No not all files.

Like i wrote before, i cannot seem to find a common cause for the delay.
Some files convert perfectly without any troubles while other have the audio
sync problem.

Same here, I have encoded some files which are fine and others which are not.
I have noticed that some seem to progressively get worse during playback and
after about 45minutes the delay in the audio is laughable.

Again the files play fine on the PC, just an issue when played via the 360.
I wondered if it was a codec issue, but I have uninstalled, reinstalled all
the codecs I can find and still no joy. Like I said before, I have tried
Encoder and Videora, I am now trying Winavi and will look tonight to see if
this has solved my issue. If this doesn't work I will try to encode a file on
a different PC and then transfer it to my Media Center.

What would be really useful if we could download a wmv file and try that to
see if we can replicate the results. If we both get the same issue, or not,
at least we would be someway toward finding the possible cause of the
problem.

The only other thing I can think may be causing it is the router. I use a
Netgear WGR614 v.1. but have wired connections between the MCE and 360. I
only use the wireless for my laptop/pda. Is it possible that this is causing
the problem? (I am close to being completely out of my depth now I'm afraid).

A big thank you for helping us by the way and if I will report my findings
later on with the files I encoded with winavi.

"mikemagst" wrote:

> >"Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> > Do all files encoded with these apps exhibit this behavior?
>
> No not all files.
>
> Like i wrote before, i cannot seem to find a common cause for the delay.
> Some files convert perfectly without any troubles while other have the audio
> sync problem.
>
>
>

Hi Kaedo,

I also have a netgear router (wgt624) however when i stream to another pc
there is no audio sync problem. So i dont think its the router.

Another thought : Could it be that a lot of the problematic files are from
"taped" tv broadcasts ? It seem that there a lot of different tv-cards that
all introduce different errors in the audio / video stream.

I also replaced all codecs but no go.

Ebay however has solved the problem for me, the 360 will be gone in a few
days. I am going back to the previous xbox with xmbc. This until MS is ready
and releases the 360 version 1.1..

I wish i could find the problem also, but i have too little time to be a
slave of the electronics instead of the other way round.

I'll keep following the discussion though, as the 360 will be back as soon
as everything is o.k.

Regarding the 360, it will probably be less buggy, more silent and cheaper
within a few months anyway. The xbox1 will keep me busy until then.






"Kaedo" wrote:

> Same here, I have encoded some files which are fine and others which are not.
> I have noticed that some seem to progressively get worse during playback and
> after about 45minutes the delay in the audio is laughable.
>
> Again the files play fine on the PC, just an issue when played via the 360.
> I wondered if it was a codec issue, but I have uninstalled, reinstalled all
> the codecs I can find and still no joy. Like I said before, I have tried
> Encoder and Videora, I am now trying Winavi and will look tonight to see if
> this has solved my issue. If this doesn't work I will try to encode a file on
> a different PC and then transfer it to my Media Center.
>
> What would be really useful if we could download a wmv file and try that to
> see if we can replicate the results. If we both get the same issue, or not,
> at least we would be someway toward finding the possible cause of the
> problem.
>
> The only other thing I can think may be causing it is the router. I use a
> Netgear WGR614 v.1. but have wired connections between the MCE and 360. I
> only use the wireless for my laptop/pda. Is it possible that this is causing
> the problem? (I am close to being completely out of my depth now I'm afraid).
>
> A big thank you for helping us by the way and if I will report my findings
> later on with the files I encoded with winavi.
>
> "mikemagst" wrote:
>
> > >"Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> > > Do all files encoded with these apps exhibit this behavior?
> >
> > No not all files.
> >
> > Like i wrote before, i cannot seem to find a common cause for the delay.
> > Some files convert perfectly without any troubles while other have the audio
> > sync problem.
> >
> >
> >

Have you tried TMPGEnc? It's likely that the encoder is doing something
with the files that the decoder doesn't quite like, though without seeing
the files, it's hard to say exactly what.

Also, do you have a sample file that has sync problems that is relatively
small (<10 MB) and okay to share? If you do and you e-mail it to msft_mcx
at hotmail, I can take a look to verify whether I see the same behavior.

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"Kaedo" <Kaedo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:61CBCE02-C28C-4A3D-A46C-C0420429835D@microsoft.com...
> Same here, I have encoded some files which are fine and others which are
not.
> I have noticed that some seem to progressively get worse during playback
and
> after about 45minutes the delay in the audio is laughable.
>
> Again the files play fine on the PC, just an issue when played via the
360.
> I wondered if it was a codec issue, but I have uninstalled, reinstalled
all
> the codecs I can find and still no joy. Like I said before, I have tried
> Encoder and Videora, I am now trying Winavi and will look tonight to see
if
> this has solved my issue. If this doesn't work I will try to encode a file
on
> a different PC and then transfer it to my Media Center.
>
> What would be really useful if we could download a wmv file and try that
to
> see if we can replicate the results. If we both get the same issue, or
not,
> at least we would be someway toward finding the possible cause of the
> problem.
>
> The only other thing I can think may be causing it is the router. I use a
> Netgear WGR614 v.1. but have wired connections between the MCE and 360. I
> only use the wireless for my laptop/pda. Is it possible that this is
causing
> the problem? (I am close to being completely out of my depth now I'm
afraid).
>
> A big thank you for helping us by the way and if I will report my findings
> later on with the files I encoded with winavi.
>
> "mikemagst" wrote:
>
> > >"Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> > > Do all files encoded with these apps exhibit this behavior?
> >
> > No not all files.
> >
> > Like i wrote before, i cannot seem to find a common cause for the delay.
> > Some files convert perfectly without any troubles while other have the
audio
> > sync problem.
> >
> >
> >

Hello Todd :

Quote : "All encoder programs give the same result, i have tried : videora
360 converter, winavi, ffmpeg, tmpgenc xpress and manual with vdubmod
avi->wav extraction. All have the same result." End quote.

Ill try if i can cut the avi file to a small length, otherwise ill send you
and mpeg with the some problems.



"Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:

> Have you tried TMPGEnc? It's likely that the encoder is doing something
> with the files that the decoder doesn't quite like, though without seeing
> the files, it's hard to say exactly what.
>
> Also, do you have a sample file that has sync problems that is relatively
> small (<10 MB) and okay to share? If you do and you e-mail it to msft_mcx
> at hotmail, I can take a look to verify whether I see the same behavior.
>
> --
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
>
> "Kaedo" <Kaedo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:61CBCE02-C28C-4A3D-A46C-C0420429835D@microsoft.com...
> > Same here, I have encoded some files which are fine and others which are
> not.
> > I have noticed that some seem to progressively get worse during playback
> and
> > after about 45minutes the delay in the audio is laughable.
> >
> > Again the files play fine on the PC, just an issue when played via the
> 360.
> > I wondered if it was a codec issue, but I have uninstalled, reinstalled
> all
> > the codecs I can find and still no joy. Like I said before, I have tried
> > Encoder and Videora, I am now trying Winavi and will look tonight to see
> if
> > this has solved my issue. If this doesn't work I will try to encode a file
> on
> > a different PC and then transfer it to my Media Center.
> >
> > What would be really useful if we could download a wmv file and try that
> to
> > see if we can replicate the results. If we both get the same issue, or
> not,
> > at least we would be someway toward finding the possible cause of the
> > problem.
> >
> > The only other thing I can think may be causing it is the router. I use a
> > Netgear WGR614 v.1. but have wired connections between the MCE and 360. I
> > only use the wireless for my laptop/pda. Is it possible that this is
> causing
> > the problem? (I am close to being completely out of my depth now I'm
> afraid).
> >
> > A big thank you for helping us by the way and if I will report my findings
> > later on with the files I encoded with winavi.
> >
> > "mikemagst" wrote:
> >
> > > >"Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> > > > Do all files encoded with these apps exhibit this behavior?
> > >
> > > No not all files.
> > >
> > > Like i wrote before, i cannot seem to find a common cause for the delay.
> > > Some files convert perfectly without any troubles while other have the
> audio
> > > sync problem.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>

Sorry it's taking way to long with my internet speed to send you any file
that would be long enough to make a good judgement.
I could point you to a torrent site but that would be illegal.
Maybe someone with a t3 line could help us out and send Todd something that
has the same problems.



"mikemagst" wrote:

> Hello Todd :
>
> Quote : "All encoder programs give the same result, i have tried : videora
> 360 converter, winavi, ffmpeg, tmpgenc xpress and manual with vdubmod
> avi->wav extraction. All have the same result." End quote.
>
> Ill try if i can cut the avi file to a small length, otherwise ill send you
> and mpeg with the some problems.
>
>
>
> "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
>
> > Have you tried TMPGEnc? It's likely that the encoder is doing something
> > with the files that the decoder doesn't quite like, though without seeing
> > the files, it's hard to say exactly what.
> >
> > Also, do you have a sample file that has sync problems that is relatively
> > small (<10 MB) and okay to share? If you do and you e-mail it to msft_mcx
> > at hotmail, I can take a look to verify whether I see the same behavior.
> >
> > --
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
> >
> >
> > "Kaedo" <Kaedo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:61CBCE02-C28C-4A3D-A46C-C0420429835D@microsoft.com...
> > > Same here, I have encoded some files which are fine and others which are
> > not.
> > > I have noticed that some seem to progressively get worse during playback
> > and
> > > after about 45minutes the delay in the audio is laughable.
> > >
> > > Again the files play fine on the PC, just an issue when played via the
> > 360.
> > > I wondered if it was a codec issue, but I have uninstalled, reinstalled
> > all
> > > the codecs I can find and still no joy. Like I said before, I have tried
> > > Encoder and Videora, I am now trying Winavi and will look tonight to see
> > if
> > > this has solved my issue. If this doesn't work I will try to encode a file
> > on
> > > a different PC and then transfer it to my Media Center.
> > >
> > > What would be really useful if we could download a wmv file and try that
> > to
> > > see if we can replicate the results. If we both get the same issue, or
> > not,
> > > at least we would be someway toward finding the possible cause of the
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > The only other thing I can think may be causing it is the router. I use a
> > > Netgear WGR614 v.1. but have wired connections between the MCE and 360. I
> > > only use the wireless for my laptop/pda. Is it possible that this is
> > causing
> > > the problem? (I am close to being completely out of my depth now I'm
> > afraid).
> > >
> > > A big thank you for helping us by the way and if I will report my findings
> > > later on with the files I encoded with winavi.
> > >
> > > "mikemagst" wrote:
> > >
> > > > >"Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> > > > > Do all files encoded with these apps exhibit this behavior?
> > > >
> > > > No not all files.
> > > >
> > > > Like i wrote before, i cannot seem to find a common cause for the delay.
> > > > Some files convert perfectly without any troubles while other have the
> > audio
> > > > sync problem.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >

A (re-)encoded MPEG file is more interesting than the raw AVI file; you
should be able to create a small file with decent time length if you reduce
the resolution to QVGA and bit-rate to <1.5 Mbps...

--
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"mikemagst" <mikemagst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6CA41470-FA0F-4979-84A8-C42D8D1BCDCA@microsoft.com...
> Sorry it's taking way to long with my internet speed to send you any file
> that would be long enough to make a good judgement.
> I could point you to a torrent site but that would be illegal.
> Maybe someone with a t3 line could help us out and send Todd something
that
> has the same problems.
>
>
>
> "mikemagst" wrote:
>
> > Hello Todd :
> >
> > Quote : "All encoder programs give the same result, i have tried :
videora
> > 360 converter, winavi, ffmpeg, tmpgenc xpress and manual with vdubmod
> > avi->wav extraction. All have the same result." End quote.
> >
> > Ill try if i can cut the avi file to a small length, otherwise ill send
you
> > and mpeg with the some problems.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> >
> > > Have you tried TMPGEnc? It's likely that the encoder is doing
something
> > > with the files that the decoder doesn't quite like, though without
seeing
> > > the files, it's hard to say exactly what.
> > >
> > > Also, do you have a sample file that has sync problems that is
relatively
> > > small (<10 MB) and okay to share? If you do and you e-mail it to
msft_mcx
> > > at hotmail, I can take a look to verify whether I see the same
behavior.
> > >
> > > --
> > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Kaedo" <Kaedo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:61CBCE02-C28C-4A3D-A46C-C0420429835D@microsoft.com...
> > > > Same here, I have encoded some files which are fine and others which
are
> > > not.
> > > > I have noticed that some seem to progressively get worse during
playback
> > > and
> > > > after about 45minutes the delay in the audio is laughable.
> > > >
> > > > Again the files play fine on the PC, just an issue when played via
the
> > > 360.
> > > > I wondered if it was a codec issue, but I have uninstalled,
reinstalled
> > > all
> > > > the codecs I can find and still no joy. Like I said before, I have
tried
> > > > Encoder and Videora, I am now trying Winavi and will look tonight to
see
> > > if
> > > > this has solved my issue. If this doesn't work I will try to encode
a file
> > > on
> > > > a different PC and then transfer it to my Media Center.
> > > >
> > > > What would be really useful if we could download a wmv file and try
that
> > > to
> > > > see if we can replicate the results. If we both get the same issue,
or
> > > not,
> > > > at least we would be someway toward finding the possible cause of
the
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > > The only other thing I can think may be causing it is the router. I
use a
> > > > Netgear WGR614 v.1. but have wired connections between the MCE and
360. I
> > > > only use the wireless for my laptop/pda. Is it possible that this is
> > > causing
> > > > the problem? (I am close to being completely out of my depth now I'm
> > > afraid).
> > > >
> > > > A big thank you for helping us by the way and if I will report my
findings
> > > > later on with the files I encoded with winavi.
> > > >
> > > > "mikemagst" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >"Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> > > > > > Do all files encoded with these apps exhibit this behavior?
> > > > >
> > > > > No not all files.
> > > > >
> > > > > Like i wrote before, i cannot seem to find a common cause for the
delay.
> > > > > Some files convert perfectly without any troubles while other have
the
> > > audio
> > > > > sync problem.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

Hello Todd,

A test video file has been send to your hotmail address.
It runs fine on my pc, but not on the 360. The audio is off by about 250ms.
Watch how the mouths open before sound comes.
Thx, Mike


"Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:

> A (re-)encoded MPEG file is more interesting than the raw AVI file; you
> should be able to create a small file with decent time length if you reduce
> the resolution to QVGA and bit-rate to <1.5 Mbps...
>
> --
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
>
> "mikemagst" <mikemagst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6CA41470-FA0F-4979-84A8-C42D8D1BCDCA@microsoft.com...
> > Sorry it's taking way to long with my internet speed to send you any file
> > that would be long enough to make a good judgement.
> > I could point you to a torrent site but that would be illegal.
> > Maybe someone with a t3 line could help us out and send Todd something
> that
> > has the same problems.
> >
> >
> >
> > "mikemagst" wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Todd :
> > >
> > > Quote : "All encoder programs give the same result, i have tried :
> videora
> > > 360 converter, winavi, ffmpeg, tmpgenc xpress and manual with vdubmod
> > > avi->wav extraction. All have the same result." End quote.
> > >
> > > Ill try if i can cut the avi file to a small length, otherwise ill send
> you
> > > and mpeg with the some problems.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Have you tried TMPGEnc? It's likely that the encoder is doing
> something
> > > > with the files that the decoder doesn't quite like, though without
> seeing
> > > > the files, it's hard to say exactly what.
> > > >
> > > > Also, do you have a sample file that has sync problems that is
> relatively
> > > > small (<10 MB) and okay to share? If you do and you e-mail it to
> msft_mcx
> > > > at hotmail, I can take a look to verify whether I see the same
> behavior.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Kaedo" <Kaedo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:61CBCE02-C28C-4A3D-A46C-C0420429835D@microsoft.com...
> > > > > Same here, I have encoded some files which are fine and others which
> are
> > > > not.
> > > > > I have noticed that some seem to progressively get worse during
> playback
> > > > and
> > > > > after about 45minutes the delay in the audio is laughable.
> > > > >
> > > > > Again the files play fine on the PC, just an issue when played via
> the
> > > > 360.
> > > > > I wondered if it was a codec issue, but I have uninstalled,
> reinstalled
> > > > all
> > > > > the codecs I can find and still no joy. Like I said before, I have
> tried
> > > > > Encoder and Videora, I am now trying Winavi and will look tonight to
> see
> > > > if
> > > > > this has solved my issue. If this doesn't work I will try to encode
> a file
> > > > on
> > > > > a different PC and then transfer it to my Media Center.
> > > > >
> > > > > What would be really useful if we could download a wmv file and try
> that
> > > > to
> > > > > see if we can replicate the results. If we both get the same issue,
> or
> > > > not,
> > > > > at least we would be someway toward finding the possible cause of
> the
> > > > > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only other thing I can think may be causing it is the router. I
> use a
> > > > > Netgear WGR614 v.1. but have wired connections between the MCE and
> 360. I
> > > > > only use the wireless for my laptop/pda. Is it possible that this is
> > > > causing
> > > > > the problem? (I am close to being completely out of my depth now I'm
> > > > afraid).
> > > > >
> > > > > A big thank you for helping us by the way and if I will report my
> findings
> > > > > later on with the files I encoded with winavi.
> > > > >
> > > > > "mikemagst" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > >"Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> > > > > > > Do all files encoded with these apps exhibit this behavior?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No not all files.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Like i wrote before, i cannot seem to find a common cause for the
> delay.
> > > > > > Some files convert perfectly without any troubles while other have
> the
> > > > audio
> > > > > > sync problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
>

The mail failed,
i got it back from hotmail your adres :msft_mcx AT hotmail DOT com
seems to be incorrect (?)


"mikemagst" wrote:

> Hello Todd,
>
> A test video file has been send to your hotmail address.
> It runs fine on my pc, but not on the 360. The audio is off by about 250ms.
> Watch how the mouths open before sound comes.
> Thx, Mike
>
>
> "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
>
> > A (re-)encoded MPEG file is more interesting than the raw AVI file; you
> > should be able to create a small file with decent time length if you reduce
> > the resolution to QVGA and bit-rate to <1.5 Mbps...
> >
> > --
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
> >
> >
> > "mikemagst" <mikemagst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:6CA41470-FA0F-4979-84A8-C42D8D1BCDCA@microsoft.com...
> > > Sorry it's taking way to long with my internet speed to send you any file
> > > that would be long enough to make a good judgement.
> > > I could point you to a torrent site but that would be illegal.
> > > Maybe someone with a t3 line could help us out and send Todd something
> > that
> > > has the same problems.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "mikemagst" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello Todd :
> > > >
> > > > Quote : "All encoder programs give the same result, i have tried :
> > videora
> > > > 360 converter, winavi, ffmpeg, tmpgenc xpress and manual with vdubmod
> > > > avi->wav extraction. All have the same result." End quote.
> > > >
> > > > Ill try if i can cut the avi file to a small length, otherwise ill send
> > you
> > > > and mpeg with the some problems.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Have you tried TMPGEnc? It's likely that the encoder is doing
> > something
> > > > > with the files that the decoder doesn't quite like, though without
> > seeing
> > > > > the files, it's hard to say exactly what.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, do you have a sample file that has sync problems that is
> > relatively
> > > > > small (<10 MB) and okay to share? If you do and you e-mail it to
> > msft_mcx
> > > > > at hotmail, I can take a look to verify whether I see the same
> > behavior.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > rights.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Kaedo" <Kaedo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:61CBCE02-C28C-4A3D-A46C-C0420429835D@microsoft.com...
> > > > > > Same here, I have encoded some files which are fine and others which
> > are
> > > > > not.
> > > > > > I have noticed that some seem to progressively get worse during
> > playback
> > > > > and
> > > > > > after about 45minutes the delay in the audio is laughable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Again the files play fine on the PC, just an issue when played via
> > the
> > > > > 360.
> > > > > > I wondered if it was a codec issue, but I have uninstalled,
> > reinstalled
> > > > > all
> > > > > > the codecs I can find and still no joy. Like I said before, I have
> > tried
> > > > > > Encoder and Videora, I am now trying Winavi and will look tonight to
> > see
> > > > > if
> > > > > > this has solved my issue. If this doesn't work I will try to encode
> > a file
> > > > > on
> > > > > > a different PC and then transfer it to my Media Center.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What would be really useful if we could download a wmv file and try
> > that
> > > > > to
> > > > > > see if we can replicate the results. If we both get the same issue,
> > or
> > > > > not,
> > > > > > at least we would be someway toward finding the possible cause of
> > the
> > > > > > problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only other thing I can think may be causing it is the router. I
> > use a
> > > > > > Netgear WGR614 v.1. but have wired connections between the MCE and
> > 360. I
> > > > > > only use the wireless for my laptop/pda. Is it possible that this is
> > > > > causing
> > > > > > the problem? (I am close to being completely out of my depth now I'm
> > > > > afraid).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A big thank you for helping us by the way and if I will report my
> > findings
> > > > > > later on with the files I encoded with winavi.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "mikemagst" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >"Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> > > > > > > > Do all files encoded with these apps exhibit this behavior?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No not all files.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Like i wrote before, i cannot seem to find a common cause for the
> > delay.
> > > > > > > Some files convert perfectly without any troubles while other have
> > the
> > > > > audio
> > > > > > > sync problem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> >
> >

That's the correct address; how big was the file?

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"mikemagst" <mikemagst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2205C86C-745A-43FA-BE8C-ABDF2F618536@microsoft.com...
> The mail failed,
> i got it back from hotmail your adres :msft_mcx AT hotmail DOT com
> seems to be incorrect (?)
>
>
> "mikemagst" wrote:
>
> > Hello Todd,
> >
> > A test video file has been send to your hotmail address.
> > It runs fine on my pc, but not on the 360. The audio is off by about
250ms.
> > Watch how the mouths open before sound comes.
> > Thx, Mike
> >
> >
> > "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> >
> > > A (re-)encoded MPEG file is more interesting than the raw AVI file;
you
> > > should be able to create a small file with decent time length if you
reduce
> > > the resolution to QVGA and bit-rate to <1.5 Mbps...
> > >
> > > --
> > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
> > >
> > >
> > > "mikemagst" <mikemagst@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:6CA41470-FA0F-4979-84A8-C42D8D1BCDCA@microsoft.com...
> > > > Sorry it's taking way to long with my internet speed to send you any
file
> > > > that would be long enough to make a good judgement.
> > > > I could point you to a torrent site but that would be illegal.
> > > > Maybe someone with a t3 line could help us out and send Todd
something
> > > that
> > > > has the same problems.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "mikemagst" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello Todd :
> > > > >
> > > > > Quote : "All encoder programs give the same result, i have tried :
> > > videora
> > > > > 360 converter, winavi, ffmpeg, tmpgenc xpress and manual with
vdubmod
> > > > > avi->wav extraction. All have the same result." End quote.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ill try if i can cut the avi file to a small length, otherwise ill
send
> > > you
> > > > > and mpeg with the some problems.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Have you tried TMPGEnc? It's likely that the encoder is doing
> > > something
> > > > > > with the files that the decoder doesn't quite like, though
without
> > > seeing
> > > > > > the files, it's hard to say exactly what.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, do you have a sample file that has sync problems that is
> > > relatively
> > > > > > small (<10 MB) and okay to share? If you do and you e-mail it
to
> > > msft_mcx
> > > > > > at hotmail, I can take a look to verify whether I see the same
> > > behavior.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no
> > > rights.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Kaedo" <Kaedo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:61CBCE02-C28C-4A3D-A46C-C0420429835D@microsoft.com...
> > > > > > > Same here, I have encoded some files which are fine and others
which
> > > are
> > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > I have noticed that some seem to progressively get worse
during
> > > playback
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > after about 45minutes the delay in the audio is laughable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again the files play fine on the PC, just an issue when played
via
> > > the
> > > > > > 360.
> > > > > > > I wondered if it was a codec issue, but I have uninstalled,
> > > reinstalled
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > > the codecs I can find and still no joy. Like I said before, I
have
> > > tried
> > > > > > > Encoder and Videora, I am now trying Winavi and will look
tonight to
> > > see
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > this has solved my issue. If this doesn't work I will try to
encode
> > > a file
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > a different PC and then transfer it to my Media Center.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What would be really useful if we could download a wmv file
and try
> > > that
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > see if we can replicate the results. If we both get the same
issue,
> > > or
> > > > > > not,
> > > > > > > at least we would be someway toward finding the possible cause
of
> > > the
> > > > > > > problem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The only other thing I can think may be causing it is the
router. I
> > > use a
> > > > > > > Netgear WGR614 v.1. but have wired connections between the MCE
and
> > > 360. I
> > > > > > > only use the wireless for my laptop/pda. Is it possible that
this is
> > > > > > causing
> > > > > > > the problem? (I am close to being completely out of my depth
now I'm
> > > > > > afraid).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A big thank you for helping us by the way and if I will report
my
> > > findings
> > > > > > > later on with the files I encoded with winavi.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "mikemagst" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >"Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Do all files encoded with these apps exhibit this
behavior?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No not all files.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Like i wrote before, i cannot seem to find a common cause
for the
> > > delay.
> > > > > > > > Some files convert perfectly without any troubles while
other have
> > > the
> > > > > > audio
> > > > > > > > sync problem.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

The size was about 11,5mb. I have split the file in two now and send it
again. (2 mails with 2 rar files).


"Todd Bowra [MSFT]" wrote:

> That's the correct address; how big was the file?

have we got any further with this? I've been out the loop for a few days. I
have had some problems with file I have encoded on my PC being out of sync
even on the PC too now. I suspect a defective codec. I have unistalled all of
the codecs I could find and only installed the ones called Codec's for IT
professionals 8.0 (or something similar) and will try to encode the file
again. It may be nothing, but I'll try it. I think it must be software
related otherwise wouldn't there be a lot of people asking about this?

If only we could just run the originals!